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A second vote

Postby tph » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:10 pm

So there is a big push for a second vote on our membership of the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43774200

What is unclear is the format that such a vote would take. It does not appear to be a straight forward as a yes, no vote.
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Re: A second vote

Postby Hairyloon » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:39 pm

The trouble with a second vote is that it enables them to ignore the first.
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Re: A second vote

Postby tph » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:49 pm

Even if there were a second vote it would be impacted by the first. It would not be a simple rerun of the first question.

It's not clear whether they are asking for vote on the final deal i.e. what is called a 'soft' or a 'hard Brexit' or whether they think the UK remaining in the EU is still an option.
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Re: A second vote

Postby Hairyloon » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:09 pm

tph wrote:Even if there were a second vote it would be impacted by the first. It would not be a simple rerun of the first question.

The only thing the first vote tells us unambiguously is that parliament is fundamentally out of touch and they have utterly ignored that simple fact. A second vote, however it is run (unless it is on the question of competence of the entire administration) would let them continue to ignore it rather than addressing it.

It's not clear whether they are asking for vote on the final deal i.e. what is called a 'soft' or a 'hard Brexit' or whether they think the UK remaining in the EU is still an option.

Remaining in the EU is not an option because the government says not and doing so would very likely destroy the Conservative Party. That is what matters here.
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Re: A second vote

Postby tph » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:32 pm

But what they are asking for is essentially of no benefit to the remain campaign.

They are are saying we either vote to accept the soft Brexit deal currently being negotiated or we reject it in which case we have a hard Brexit.

In the first case they gain nothing in the second they risk losing more.
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Re: A second vote

Postby Hairyloon » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:21 am

tph wrote:But what they are asking for is essentially of no benefit to the remain campaign.

They are are saying we either vote to accept the soft Brexit deal currently being negotiated or we reject it in which case we have a hard Brexit...


Where is the current bill at now? I lost track of it in the Lords, who seemed to have a few things to say about it...
As I understood it, parliament was supposed to have a "Meaningful vote" on the deal, and most people are saying that a choice between no deal and a bad deal, is not a meaningful vote.
Last I heard, the government were still holding to the line that it is not possible to withdraw the notices & remain in the EU; so those are the only possible options.
There is a case in the Scottish courts challenging them on that point.

It is a shambles.
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Re: A second vote

Postby tph » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:59 am

So remain are happy for us to have a hard Brexit, as long as we get a vote?
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Re: A second vote

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:03 am

Assuming you mean this campaign, they want the final Brexit deal put to a referendum with the options being to accept the deal or to remain. The Government say it is not possible to withdraw the notification, but they would. General opinion seems to be that it would be accepted as long as it were done in good faith.
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Re: A second vote

Postby Hairyloon » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:28 am

Smouldering Stoat wrote:Assuming you mean this campaign, they want the final Brexit deal put to a referendum with the options being to accept the deal or to remain.


Why wouldn't they put all three options on the table? Apart from the obvious reasons.
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Re: A second vote

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:58 am

I don't know. Why don't you ask them?
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