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Postby tph » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:55 pm

It seem's that the Home Secretary has something against Whatsapp and want's to be able to read everyone messages.

Personally I think she is shamelessly using the recent events as a reason to intrude on people's personal messages and what she proposes risks doing more harm than good.

I hope that Whatsapp retains the rights to provide end to end encrypted messages without interference from any governments.
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Re: Whatsapp

Postby Hairyloon » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:06 pm

Seconded on all counts.
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Re: Whatsapp

Postby 3.14 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:16 am

There's other apps that have the capability and will never be regulated by governments.
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Re: Whatsapp

Postby diy » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:58 am

But you don't mind whatsapp reading your messages?
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Re: Whatsapp

Postby dls » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:40 pm

But you don't mind whatsapp reading your messages?


That somewhat misses the point. End to end encryption is promised. It is encrypted on your phone, travels in encrypted form, arrives in encrypted form, and is only decrypted on the recipient's phone. WhatsAppcannot read them.

This is an argument which will continue forever. Proper encryption will not be breakable. If it does not have a 'back door' that is it.

If a back door is created, it will be used by all governments - not just those we think might be nice. All those dictators - China, Russia, Syria will also have access to those who oppose them. What may prove a minor advantage to our own law enforcement would cost many lives elsewhere.

We are entitled to privacy without apology or need of justification.
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Re: Whatsapp

Postby diy » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:19 pm

dls wrote:
But you don't mind whatsapp reading your messages?


That somewhat misses the point. End to end encryption is promised. It is encrypted on your phone, travels in encrypted form, arrives in encrypted form, and is only decrypted on the recipient's phone. WhatsAppcannot read them.




More accurately:
- Its mapped to your ID (Facebook or otherwise)
- mined for content (you can opt out)
- mapped to the recipients ID (facebook or otherwise)
- the content mapped to relevant advertisements / or aggregated if you've opted out via privacy settings
- Your "anonymous" proifle is mapped to your ID hash which is used for "sfuff".

but the communication itself is secured against others who may be snooping. But that doesn't make the content private.
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Re: Whatsapp

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:50 pm

Metadata may well be being mined, after all the service is paid for by advertising.The content of your communication, however, is not mined for the purposes of advertising. The content of your message cannot be read by anyone except you and the recipient: it is encrypted with some pretty fearsome public-key encryption. Every message is protected by a separate key, so breaking the encryption on one message would not compromise previous messages. The content of your message is private and will remain so until such time as quantum computers become available.

Whatsapp has an interesting guide to their encryption systems on this point.
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