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What's been said?

Postby Hairyloon » Fri May 27, 2016 10:05 pm

A chap (C) writes to public office (A) about a given issue. He then writes to public office (B) on the same issue. B writes to A.
Does C have any right to know if and what B has said to A?
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Re: What's been said?

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Fri May 27, 2016 10:09 pm

If only we had some kind of Freedom of Information Act or something.
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Re: What's been said?

Postby Hairyloon » Sat May 28, 2016 8:00 am

Smouldering Stoat wrote:If only we had some kind of Freedom of Information Act or something.

We do, but it is full of exemptions and holes.

What if B had instead telephoned A? The FOI Act only covers recorded information. There would of course be a record showing the call had been made and that record would be subject to FOI.
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Re: What's been said?

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sat May 28, 2016 8:37 am

We don't have a system for releasing information that doesn't actually exist, no.
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Re: What's been said?

Postby atticus » Sat May 28, 2016 9:36 am

Ask.

Did X contact Y about this?

By what means?


What was said?

Does a written record exist, and if do please provide a copy?

Why are X and Y colluding?
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Re: What's been said?

Postby Hairyloon » Sat May 28, 2016 11:39 am

atticus wrote:Ask.

Did X contact Y about this?

By what means?


What was said?

Does a written record exist, and if do please provide a copy?

Questions have been asked and answers are awaited.

Why are X and Y colluding?

There is no suggestion of collusion, leastwise not yet.

Smouldering Stoat wrote:We don't have a system for releasing information that doesn't actually exist, no.

Surprisingly on the ball, but wrong.
If A did not make the call then the information about the call does not exist, but in that case, the information relevant to the client is that the call was not made and if he has a right to see the record then the system must include the facility for telling him that there is no record.
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Re: What's been said?

Postby Millbrook2 » Sat May 28, 2016 4:18 pm

Why should there be a facility to record that a call was not made. That may be known by someone it does not mean it has been recorded.
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Re: What's been said?

Postby Hairyloon » Sat May 28, 2016 4:29 pm

Millbrook2 wrote:Why should there be a facility to record that a call was not made.

Why should you ask such an odd question?
That [it(?)] may be known by someone it does not mean it has been recorded.

And that there is no record of it doesn't mean that it didn't happen, but if it did happen then there should be a record of the happening, if not of the communication.
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Re: What's been said?

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sat May 28, 2016 5:17 pm

Hairyloon wrote:If A did not make the call then the information about the call does not exist, but in that case, the information relevant to the client is that the call was not made and if he has a right to see the record then the system must include the facility for telling him that there is no record.


Yes, if only the Freedom of Information Act included a duty to confirm or deny.
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Re: What's been said?

Postby atticus » Sat May 28, 2016 5:24 pm

If the call was made but no information about it recorded, it would be wrong to say that the call was not made. The correct statement would be that no record of the conversation was made.
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