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Was Fred West "innocent"?

Postby shootist » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:05 pm

Hairyloon wrote:Let us try an analogue.
A man kills his wife, and does so cleverly enough that it is impossible to prove that he did it. Has there been a murder? You appear to say not.


But he would still remain innocent of that crime. Just like Fred West.
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Re: Was Fred West "innocent"?

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:24 am

shootist wrote:
Hairyloon wrote:Let us try an analogue.
A man kills his wife, and does so cleverly enough that it is impossible to prove that he did it. Has there been a murder? You appear to say not.


But he would still remain innocent of that crime. Just like Fred West.

No, he would be guilty, he would just be treated as innocent.
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Re: Was Fred West "innocent"?

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:38 am

Then again of course, if Atti is right, then he must be innocent, because apparently there is no crime until the perpetrator is proven guilty.
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Re: Was Fred West "innocent"?

Postby atticus » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:54 am

BOLLOCKS.

I have said no such thing.
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Re: Was Fred West "innocent"?

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:16 am

Then does that principle apply only to malicious communications? Because that is exactly what you said in that discussion.
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Re: Was Fred West "innocent"?

Postby atticus » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:18 am

No, I did not say any such thing or anything which entitles you to infer such a thing.

Will you please stop twisting my words. Whatever you think I said I did not say.
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Re: Was Fred West "innocent"?

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:24 am

atticus wrote:No, I did not say any such thing or anything which entitles you to infer such a thing.

atticus wrote:But if the necessary facts cannot be proven, an offence under the particular statute that you identified has not been committed.

Subject: Conspiring to mislead the House.
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Re: Was Fred West "innocent"?

Postby atticus » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:26 am

there you are.
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Re: Was Fred West "innocent"?

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:28 am

Indeed so: a clear statement that there is no crime until it is proven.
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Re: Was Fred West "innocent"?

Postby atticus » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:29 am

If that is what you choose to think, then so be it.
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