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Police payment to convicted child attackers

Postby dls » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:37 am

Rude noises are being issued in the press about the use by police in Northumberland of a 'convivted child rapist' as a paid informer in order to assist the investigation and arrest of other child abusers.
There is a natural and proper extreme revulsion os these crimes and those who perpetrate them, but part of this is buried in the entrails of the 'once an offender lways an offender' myth.

I am quite sure that such an exercise would need very careful thought, planning and supervision. I assume that that was done. I am sure, even so, that there would be residual and unquantifiable risks. Those risks are the ones at issue.

Those (not all, just those looking for more money) in the industry insist that one a sex offender always a sex offender. They treat this almost as an article of faith. A bit of gospel kindly handed own to them from on high. Well, first of all it is not God given. OK, they say, our experience trumps yours, and our clear experience is that no such offender ever 'recovers'. This is often said, but suffers a fundamental error of logic. Assume, as we must, that not all sex offenders are ever caught, how an we know what has been and will be the behaviour of those who offended once, and never again, and were not caught. By definition, such people may be numerous, and have never ever come within the purview (experience) of the sex abuse professionals. Almost by definition, the ones who do are the repeating offenders, and therefore, by definition, all such offenders (the only ones they meet) are repeaters.

It is of course, just possible that what they say is true. I do not know, but of this I am certain, they do not, and indeed cannot, know either.
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Re: Police payment to convicted child attackers

Postby shootist » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:56 pm

I find it difficult to understand the mentality of the people who condemn this action. While the police incompetence in many investigations is immense, in this instance even the dumbest of investigators will have realised the dangers and the need for absolute record keeping and controls that would need to be put in place. From what I have read in the media (not just 'my' newspaper :roll: ) it seems that the objections are nearly all about the 'morality' of making use of this person for any reason whatever because he is one of the unspeakables. If he was properly controlled, then I see no moral objection whatever in making use of him to secure the convictions of these people, in fact I see it as entirely moral. But, there are always those who will seize any opportunity to signal their virtue in any way for any reason.
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Re: Police payment to convicted child attackers

Postby atticus » Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:03 pm

I have read a statement on this by the PCC for the force in question. In essence, she expresses distaste but says that there was no other way of obtaining the evidence that led to the conviction.

I have read several comments by specialist criminal law barristers discussing "covert human intelligence sources" and the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, and putting the knee-jerkers straight.
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Re: Police payment to convicted child attackers

Postby shootist » Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:15 pm

I had completely forgotten RIPA and CHIS issues in all the morality dick waving going on about it elsewhere. Only once have I been involved in running a CHIS and what a complete performance it was. I ended up getting an two hour bollocking over what I had done wrong, and I can assure anyone it wasn't very much at all in a piss pot job of little consequence with Trading Standards. Now you reminded me, the paperwork for that exercise could probably have filled a filing cabinet on it's own with everybody and his dog chiming in and signing their life away. A good result.
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Re: Police payment to convicted child attackers

Postby Hairyloon » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:01 pm

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