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Judge says undercover paedophile hunters can continue

Postby 3.14 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:30 pm

Judge says undercover paedophile hunters can continue to pose as children to snare perverts
Paedophile hunters can continue to pose as children to catch perverts looking for sex with children online after a landmark court ruling. An ongoing legal battle could have seen any evidence gathered by "vigilante" groups, which have soared in number across the UK, banned from the courts. Legal teams acting for two men allegedly snared by Dark Justice, an undercover organisation whose activities have already led to 42 convictions, claimed prosecutions using evidence gathered by such groups "diminished the integrity of the court process".

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Re: Judge says undercover paedophile hunters can continue

Postby diy » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:44 pm

From what I understand - they do a similar job to that of the RSPCA in terms of bringing prosecutions which might not otherwise be brought.
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Re: Judge says undercover paedophile hunters can continue

Postby dls » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:16 pm

There is no real comparison, sorry. The RSPCA have statutory recognition for prosecutions.
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Re: Judge says undercover paedophile hunters can continue

Postby diy » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:09 pm

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Re: Judge says undercover paedophile hunters can continue

Postby atticus » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:33 pm

Anything more recent than 1993?

Also, that site is maintained by an organisation that has a clear anti-RSPCA purpose and agenda.

Irrespective of the above, dls's point remains good.
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Re: Judge says undercover paedophile hunters can continue

Postby 3.14 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:46 pm

Is there any case law report on this case such as you normally produce David?
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Re: Judge says undercover paedophile hunters can continue

Postby dls » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:18 pm

Peachey has been around longer than I have, and his views on the RSCPA are deeply embedded n his brain.

Everything (almost) he says on that page is true, and in the past I have had severe criticism of the RSPCA.

My memory is that there is some statutory recognition of their role in prosecuting animal welfare cases, but that is counteracted by the statement they themselves make that in prosecuting they act as private prosecutors. There may be some intermediate status.

Does anyone know if RSPCA staff are appoinnted sometimes as inspectors by local authorities under the Animal Welfare Act 2006
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Re: Judge says undercover paedophile hunters can continue

Postby diy » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:52 pm

from their site...

"When RSPCA inspectors have reason to believe that an offence has been committed, they prepare a case file containing evidence such as witness statements, photographs, and veterinary or other expert advice.

We, unlike the police, have no special powers to gather evidence.

But we use the law to ensure any evidence gathered can be used in court."

It's really only this bit that differs.

"Once the investigation is complete, the file is submitted to our prosecutions team, who consider whether the case ought to be prosecuted."

The pedo hunters don't seem to have a prosecution team. But it remains possible for any individual to bring a criminal prosecution. Though the CPS have powers to adopt and drop. I couldn't find anything to suggest the RSPCA has any statutory power other than their historical actions
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Re: Judge says undercover paedophile hunters can continue

Postby dls » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:18 pm

There is a power to step in to stop private prosecutions. I think it may be that that power is not generally used for the RSPCA.

In any event, the point of this thread is not that the idiots acting as hungers are prosecutors - they are but catching people.
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Re: Judge says undercover paedophile hunters can continue

Postby Spankymonkey » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:55 am

dls wrote:There is no real comparison, sorry. The RSPCA have statutory recognition for prosecutions.

The RSPCA enjoy no special statutory powers to prosecute.
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