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Re: Our condolences to everyone in Sweden

Postby atticus » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:17 am

Shooter, you yourself are prone to using populist-correct terminology.

Everyone has to use these descriptors. You may not like "right wing", but you throw "liberal" around as if it is a term of non-endearment.
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Re: Our condolences to everyone in Sweden

Postby atticus » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:34 am

Hairy - you are in the habit of posting links without any additional explanation, never mind a synopsis.
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Re: Our condolences to everyone in Sweden

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:58 am

Shootist has posted a video which presents a point of view about crime levels in Sweden. When asked for impartial sources, he defends himself by saying there are no impartial sources about Islam. Does he seriously expect us to believe there are no impartial sources of information on crime levels in Sweden? That the most authoritative source is a speech by a Dutchman with an axe to grind?

No, of course the posting of links is not to be banned, and yes, Hairy is guilty of posting them without explanation. However, he doesn't generally expect us to spend three quarters of an hour watching a video without being able to explain why it is important.

Finally, I use "right-wing" in its generally understood meaning.
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Re: Our condolences to everyone in Sweden

Postby shootist » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:44 am

Smouldering Stoat wrote:Finally, I use "right-wing" in its generally MISunderstood meaning.
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Re: Our condolences to everyone in Sweden

Postby shootist » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:00 am

atticus wrote:Shooter, you yourself are prone to using populist-correct terminology.

Everyone has to use these descriptors. You may not like "right wing", but you throw "liberal" around as if it is a term of non-endearment.


Naturally, I disagree with your use of the word 'populist'. But I accept that you may have the vaguest shadow of a point, which does deserve some explanation. "Right Wing" as it is used today, is an empty term, shorthand for 'bad'. Good and bad have no association with 'right wing' except in the minds of the irrational. My use of the word 'liberal' in a non-complementary fashion, directly relates to the sort of hypocritical self declared liberal socialist who is generally nothing of the sort. There is a direct association between the word 'liberal' and it's variations, and the sort of vacuous idiots who will simply not listen to any argument whatever that runs contrary to their avowed beliefs. Probably misquoted words of a song drift into mind "To find the truth they even lie." sums them up perfectly.

I actually think that Brexit (and the election of Donald Trump) owes a great deal to this sort of 'liberal'. Rather than present a rational argued case against Brexit, the tone of the remainers was almost exclusively along the lines that Brexiteers were stupid, racist, and, of course, right wing. Oh! I forgot, also 'populist'. It may come as a shock but many people who voted for Brexit may well have done so because they took great offence at being so described. Perhaps not an entirely rational reason for how a person casts their vote, but perhaps entirely understandable. The same goes for the election of Trump. Being described as one of a basket of deplorables will not warm the heart.
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Re: Our condolences to everyone in Sweden

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:25 am

You are Humpty Dumpty, and I claim my five pounds.
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Re: Our condolences to everyone in Sweden

Postby shootist » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:27 am

Is there violence ins Sweden? Well, just keeping to violence using hand grenades..... :shock:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden

1998-2012[edit]
Between 1991 and 1998, there were at least a dozen explosion attacks or attempts.[14]
Between 2008 and 2011, there were 22 noted explosive attacks or attempts: 12 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 2 in 2009, and 1 in 2008. Two of these (one in 2011, one in 2008), were reported to be as a result of hand grenades.[15]

2013[edit]
9 June, Malmö, a hand grenade exploded in a garbage shed on Ramels väg, damaging several cars.[11]
14 September, Malmö, two people were hospitalised after a hand grenade exploded at Köpmansgatan.[11]
9 November, Malmö, a device exploded in the stairwell of an assembly building in Norra Grängesbergsgatan.[16]

2014[edit]
26 January, Malmö, a hand grenade was thrown into the window of a family's home in Seved. Thought to have been thrown by the assailants into a mistaken apartment, the family of three were said by police to have likely survived only because the father managed to close the bedroom door in time.[11]
3 February, Malmö, a device exploded outside the Malmö District Court building, blasting out several windows.[12]
15 April, Malmö, a grenade exploded outside a restaurant in Adelgatan.[11]
6 May, Malmö, one man was severely injured after a grenade was thrown into his apartment on Estlandsgatan. The grenade was thought by police to have been thrown into a mistaken apartment by the assailants.[11]
19 May, Malmö, a grenade exploded in Seved damaging eight cars and several buildings.[11]
23 May, Malmö, a device exploded near Möllevångstorget.[12]
27 October, Malmö, a bomb attack on the nightclub ship Prins Bernard.[12]
13 November, Malmö, a device exploded outside a restaurant on Baltzargatan blasting the entrance.[12]
20 November, Malmö, a device exploded outside a residential villa with a family inside in Rönnbackegatan.[12]
29 November, Malmö, the Malmö District Court building received damage to the entrance in a major bomb attack which shattered windows in the nearby buildings.[17]
20 December, Malmö, the entrance of the Victoria Park real estate office was blasted in an explosion.[12]
24 December, Malmö, Victoria Park real estate offices were bombed for the third time, creating a hole in the wall and blasting out nearby windows.[12]

2015[edit]
22 January, Malmö, a device exploded outside a residential building, damaging the exterior and shattering several windows.[12]
2 February, Malmö, windows of the Modern Museum were blasted out and two cars were damaged after an explosion in central Malmö.[12]
7 February, Sollentuna, a grenade exploded in the stairwell of an apartment block in Edsberg.[18]
27 March, Malmö, a device exploded outside a residential villa in Arlöv.[12]
10 April, Helsingborg, a device exploded after being thrown into an apartment balcony.[19]
23 April, Malmö, a restaurant was damaged after a hand grenade exploded in Adelgatan.[20]
30 April, Malmö, a device exploded outside a residential villa with three people inside in Husie.[12]
21 May, Uppsala, two hand grenades exploded after being thrown into the nightclub Birger Jarl.[21][22]
4 June, Malmö, a device exploded damaging a local store and several cars in Kroksbäck.[12]
12 June, Malmö, two passers-by were injured when a grenade exploded in Rasmusgatan in Seved.[23][24]
12 June, Gothenburg, four people including a 4-year-old girl were killed in a car bombing in Torslanda.[1][25]

Main article: 2015 Gothenburg car bombing
16 June, Malmö, an explosion occurred in Almgården near Rosengård.[24]
20 June, Malmö, two live grenades were thrown at an apartment building in Kroksbäck, but failed to detonate. 60 people were evacuated.[24][26]
13 July, Malmö, a hand grenade exploded outside a family residence in Augustenborg.[23][24]
15 July, Malmö, a grenade exploded near a residence in Arlöv.[23]
17 July, Malmö, three cars were damaged after an explosion in Branteviksgatan.[12]
21 July, Malmö, one man was injured after a grenade exploded outside a community hall on Norra Grängesbergsgatan.[23][24]
23 July, Malmö, a grenade exploded under a car in Limhamn, damaging nearby cars and buildings.[23]
24 July, Malmö, a grenade exploded at a social office and damaged nearby cars.[23][27]
26 July, Malmö, a grenade exploded at a parking lot in Värnhem, damaging ten cars and shattering several house windows.[23][28][29]
5 August, Trelleborg, a hand grenade exploded after being thrown into a social office.[23][30]
9 August, Malmö, a hand grenade exploded in a residential area in Möllevången, with thirty windows shattered in the blast.[23][31]
20 August, Botkyrka, a hand grenade exploded after being thrown at a police van with four police officers inside in Tumba.[1][32]
11 September, Borås, a hand grenade exploded in a residential area in Hässleholmen, shattering several windows.[33]
13 October, Gothenburg, a grenade exploded in Biskopsgården damaging six apartments.[1][34][35]
11 November, Landskrona, the exterior of a house and several cars were damaged in a hand grenade attack.[36]
16 November, Malmö, a device exploded in an apartment building in Lindängen.[12]
2 December, Uppsala, a hand grenade exploded in the nightclub Birger Jarl.[21][22]
27 December, Helsingborg, a nightclub in Bruksgatan received extensive damages in a bombing.[1]

2016[edit]
27 January, Landskrona, several cars were damaged and windows shattered after a hand grenade exploded in Tränggatan.[37][38]
12 February, Gothenburg, two grenades exploded within nine minutes in apartments in two different locations (Lunden and Angered).[39]
28 February, Malmö, an explosion on a balcony blasted out all windows of a Rosengård apartment.[40]
2 March, Nyköping, two people were killed after a bomb they attempted to make exploded in an apartment in Brandkärr.[1]
17 March, Malmö, an explosion destroyed a sports store and damaged the facade of the building.[12][41]
22 March, Uppsala, a hand grenade exploded after being thrown into an apartment balcony.[21]
27 March, Åmål, a device exploded after being thrown into an apartment with two people inside.[1]
28 March, Stockholm, two hand grenades exploded in central Stockholm, damaging the entrances and exterior of a nightclub and restaurants.[42]
6 April, Stockholm, a grenade exploded after being thrown into a restaurant in Jakobsberg.[43]
11 April, Uppsala, one man was hospitalised after a grenade he held exploded at a parking lot in Stenhagen.[21]
17 April, Landskrona, a hand grenade exploded after being thrown into an apartment, possibly against a casual target.[1][37]
18 May, Malmö, a hand grenade caused extensive damages after being thrown at a villa in Fosie, likely against a casual target.[1][37][44][45]
7 June, Botkyrka, a hand grenade exploded in central Fittja.[46]
7 June, Botkyrka, one man was wounded by shrapnel after a grenade exploded outside an office building in Slagsta.[47]
23 June, Tomelilla, a hand grenade exploded outside a villa.[37]
24 June, Uppsala, a hand grenade exploded in a pizza restaurant.[21]
9 July, Sollentuna, a grenade exploded while automatic weapons were fired in a residential area, amid four local shootouts in two days.[2][48][49]
12 July, Botkyrka, a grenade exploded after being thrown under a parked car in Tumba.[50]
28 July, Malmö, a hand grenade exploded in an apartment after several assailants had kicked in the door.[37]
22 August, Gothenburg, a hand grenade exploded in an apartment in Biskopsgården, killing an 8-year-old child Yuusuf Warsame from Birmingham, England. The attack was connected to an ongoing feud between members of Gothenburg’s Somali community,[51][52] as a person who was sentenced for the 2015 Gothenburg pub shooting is registered at the address.[53]
4 September, Gothenburg, one or two grenades exploded on the apartment balcony of an elderly disabled man, creating a hole and blasting out several windows. The grenade was thought by police to have been thrown indiscriminately at the apartment in a gang-area.[54][55]
14 September, Gothenburg, a bomb exploded at a school in Järntorget.[56]
14 September, Malmö, a car was bombed in central Malmö.[57]
15 September, Malmö, the garage of a family home was blasted in an explosion in central Malmö.[58]
10 October, Malmö, a nightclub was blasted in an explosion.[59]
23 October, Malmö, a hand grenade exploded nearby a garage and a car in Husie.[60]
28 October, Landskrona, a hand grenade exploded in a pizza restaurant.[61]
29 October, Landskrona, a pizza restaurant was blasted in an explosion, the second in the town in two nights.[62]
4 November, Malmö, the ground floor of the office building "Sigmahuset" was subjected to a bomb attack by an unidentified explosive device. Since the building has a glass facade, damage was extensive.[63] The ground floor houses a restaurant in the daytime and a nightclub during weekends and is situated next to a residential area.
11 November, Gothenburg, an explosive device was placed outside the office of a syndicalist movement. The device was detonated by police in a controlled explosion.[64]
11 November, Malmö, a hand grenade exploded after being thrown at a car rental company, situated adjacent to a gas station.[65]
21 November, Ängelholm, a grenade exploded near an apartment block, blasting out several windows.[66]
30 November, Solna, a hand grenade exploded after being thrown into an apartment balcony where a person was standing in the kitchen. The person got out of the apartment unharmed, while the balcony was wrecked and several windows were shattered. The event is linked to gang crime.[67]
15 December, Gothenburg, a hand grenade exploded causing damage to two apartments in Biskopsgården.[68]

2017[edit]
1 January, Katrineholm. A splinter grenade was thrown by an unknown perpetrator at the local police station. The entrance, several windows and three cars parked nearby were damaged.[69]

Responses[edit]

Along with a number of shootings, the summer of 2015 was dubbed "the summer of unrest" by Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven, who during a speech said the attacks would "not be tolerated".[70] Some hundred new police officers were set to be appointed in Malmö in the following months, after concerns were raised by the regional police union.[71] Police began work the same summer of attempting to thwart "mass hysteria" among terrified Malmö residents.[72]
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Re: Our condolences to everyone in Sweden

Postby shootist » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:29 am

Smouldering Stoat wrote:You are Humpty Dumpty, and I claim my five pounds.


Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. You are too kind.

But...

Dear Pot,

Smouldering Stoat wrote:Finally, I use "right-wing" in its generally understood meaning.


Love,

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Re: Our condolences to everyone in Sweden

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:38 am

shootist wrote:
Hairyloon wrote:As a general rule, I don't accept submissions by video.

You commonly post links, whether video or other news, without comment yourself in the hope that others should view them. You seem to want a one way street in this respect. Or, of course, hypocrisy.


I post links because I think they will be of interest. I do not, as you have done here, post links where the content of the link is the entirety of my argument.
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I will say that Wilders is speaking in Sweden, that he speaks favourably of the kindness he experienced when visiting Muslim countries in his earlier years, he confirms that he does not hate Muslims, but is against Islam which he believes restricts freedoms. He would ban the Koran in Holland...

If you follow the strict word of the Bible, it is pretty restrictive... and banning books does much to diminish his credibility.


Nicely selective, as expected.

You mean I ignored all of the padding and addressed the only relevant point? And was that the summary? 45 minutes to say that he doesn't like Islam.
I had assumed you were following my suggestion and taking it one point at a time.
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Re: Our condolences to everyone in Sweden

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:45 am

Mr Wilders hypothesis is that violence in Sweden is caused by immigration. Shootist seeks to demonstrate this by cutting and pasting an article from Wikipedia about grenade attacks, none of which appear to be attributed in that article to immigration. How is this supposed to prove that point?
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