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Re: £50bn exit fee

Postby Hairyloon » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:32 pm

dls wrote:
Nige was unpleasant and gratuitously offensive.


Indeed, and so were several of the MEPs from other states toward the UK.

Who started it?
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Re: £50bn exit fee

Postby miner » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:10 pm

Hairyloon wrote:
dls wrote:
Nige was unpleasant and gratuitously offensive.


Indeed, and so were several of the MEPs from other states toward the UK.

Who started it?


It doesn't matter - it's history. The important thing now is to all pull forward, constructively and cohesively.
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Re: £50bn exit fee

Postby miner » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:20 pm

atticus wrote:Alternative view: St Nige was unpleasant and gratuitously offensive.


He should be given a Knighthood for his services to British politics. He is arguably the person who most influenced the Referendum result. He has been probably the most influential British politician in the last 25 years - whether you like the idea or not.

No, I don't like everything about him or everything he has said and done, but he has been a better politician and has served his country better than Heath, Wilson, Callaghan, Major, Brown, Bliar, Heseltine, Clarke, Corbyn, Milliband and a whole bevy of other weak, dishonest and useless creatures.

Personally, i find the offensiveness of Major, for example, far more offensive than that of Nigel Farage, for taking us along the path which he did because he was so weak and incompetent.
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Re: £50bn exit fee

Postby atticus » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:34 pm

Is it the Canadian sunshine that makes your nose so brown?
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Re: £50bn exit fee

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:43 pm

miner wrote:The important thing now is to all pull forward, constructively and cohesively.


miner also wrote:weak, dishonest and useless creatures.

miner also wrote:You are dreaming again, wrapped up in your own delusions.

miner also wrote:The reality is that you, Stoaty, have no clue

miner also wrote:resident Remoaners

miner also wrote:skunks

miner also wrote:You have tunnel vision.

miner also wrote:You, Stoaty, are the one spouting the meaningless generalities.

miner also wrote:Get real, Stoaty.

miner also wrote:There is nothing to compete with the deranged fantasies of the hierarchy of the EUssr.

miner also wrote:arse-polisher brigade

miner also wrote:Bollocks.

miner also wrote:More bollocks from you.

miner also wrote:Edward Heath who should have been strung up for treason.


Go on, pull forward constructively and cohesively. You Brexit, you fix it.
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Re: £50bn exit fee

Postby Goldensyrup » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:06 pm

It's damn difficult to pull forward and be cohesive with somnambulists that represent only 23% of the population and are clearly not an entity that can be described as the 'will of the people', especially as those somnambulists would not have been cohesive, had matters transpired the other way. When you want to leave the house you are renting, you must settle up on your utility bills.
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Re: £50bn exit fee

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:42 pm

And on that point, m'lud, the prosecution rests.
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Re: £50bn exit fee

Postby dls » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:58 pm

When you want to leave the house you are renting, you must settle up on your utility bills.


Agreed, but there is nothing at all to suggest that that is what is being asked of us. It may indeed be that some of the claims will be of this nature, but none has yet been identified,.
Similarly if you listened to the speeches in the European Parliament there was not one word to suggest the remotest possibility that the EU might recognise that this works both ways. If you leave a tenanted property having paid rent in advance, you receive credit for such. If you have paid into he European Bank you get back your deposit. If you buy a nice big house for Mr Tusk, you are entitled to ask for a share back.
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Re: £50bn exit fee

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:24 pm

We wish to be released from our obligations under the EU treaties. We have invoked the mechanism by which such a release may be effected. There is no reason to suppose that we can walk away from our obligations for free.

It may well be that there is no mechanism by which we may be compelled to pay our due. We should consider the consequences of refusal, not only the impact on our relations with trading parties, but also the impact on our creditworthiness. Our Governments have been noted for centuries for not defaulting on our obligations.
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Re: £50bn exit fee

Postby dls » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:39 pm

There is no reason to suppose that we can walk away from our obligations for free.


But what are our obligations - we simply cease to be bound by Treaty obligations. That is what Article 50 says.
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