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Re: Now Gibraltar ....

Postby atticus » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:58 am

It is the treaty in your link. I assumed you knew that.
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Re: Now Gibraltar ....

Postby Hairyloon » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:06 pm

Knew what?
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Re: Now Gibraltar ....

Postby diy » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:20 pm

I think I'm following the logic..
Are you arguing that the Peace and Friendship Treaty of Utrecht between Spain and Great Britain (1713) was repealed by The European Communities Act 1972 and is therefore, somehow up for renegotiation as part of the brexit repeal?

I'm assuming they'll be handing the rest of their country back to France in exchange for a bit of the netherlands?
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Re: Now Gibraltar ....

Postby miner » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:11 pm

Hairyloon wrote:
atticus wrote:Ah, the Treaty of Utrecht, ending the War of the Spanish Succession.

Is it not the relevant treaty? Has it been superseded by another?

I see that Britain also got valuable slave trading rights out of it. Perhaps Spain would take those back instead.

Clearly some elements are outdated and obsolete, does that void the whole of the thing? If so, then on what basis do we hold Gibraltar?


300 years of ownership, and as a British Crown Territory having 30,000 inhabitants of whom 99% voted in 2002 to remain "British".

Of course, that sort of Rock-solid democracy doesn't appeal to the EUrogoons!

(edited to correct the %)
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Re: Now Gibraltar ....

Postby Hairyloon » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:14 pm

miner wrote:300 years of ownership, and as a British Crown Territory having 30,000 inhabitants of whom 96% voted a year or two back to remain "British".

Was that 96% of the population or of the turnout?
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Re: Now Gibraltar ....

Postby atticus » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:27 pm

What was the percentage of residents of Gib who voted for Brexit?
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Re: Now Gibraltar ....

Postby miner » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:37 pm

atticus wrote:What was the percentage of residents of Gib who voted for Brexit?


It is of no consequence, as the vote, as has been stated here ad nauseam, was a vote covering UK residents and eligible voters (such as those of Gibraltar) as a whole, a fact that even after all this time, you cannot seem to come to terms with.
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Re: Now Gibraltar ....

Postby atticus » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:41 pm

In your enthusiasm to repeat yourself you miss the point. Again.
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Re: Now Gibraltar ....

Postby miner » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:22 pm

Well, you'd better tell me what "point", as you seem to be talking in riddles.
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Re: Now Gibraltar ....

Postby dls » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:38 pm

The Catholic King does hereby, for himself, his heirs and successors, yield to the Crown of Great Britain the full and entire propriety of the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging; and he gives up the said propriety to be held and enjoyed absolutely with all manner of right for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever.


Seems pretty clear.. Similarly the Treaty makes provisions for Spain avoiding what might be termed wrongful trading between Gibraltar and Spain.

Clearly some elements are outdated and obsolete, does that void the whole of the thing?

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