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Re: what will Brexit do for us?

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:56 pm

Eyewitness testimony is evidence.

Where is the evidence in BD's assertion? Where is your objection to that?
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Re: what will Brexit do for us?

Postby Hairyloon » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:30 pm

Smouldering Stoat wrote:Eyewitness testimony is evidence.

It is, but in the context it is statistically invalid. You can claim that many politicians have a commitment do democracy, you might push for a "most", but not all... not that you claimed all.

Where is the evidence in BD's assertion? Where is your objection to that?

I thought the comment unworthy of the effort, but strictly speaking, if there are two or more politicians in the world that don't believe in democracy, then his comment was technically true...

But let us not get distracted by semantics again...
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Re: what will Brexit do for us?

Postby Hairyloon » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:31 am

Let's just come back to this point a moment:
Smouldering Stoat wrote:The time for an argument as to whether the referendum was advisory or binding has been and gone... it was generally accepted that the result would be implemented.


What is the basis of that assertion?
That referenda are advisory in this country is a well established principle in this country. The Lords did a comprehensive report about them, a parliamentary briefing paper about the Referendum Bill made it clear and Parliament were unambiguous about it during the passage of the Bill. Further to that, several major "newspapers" ran the story.
And it is a fundamental cornerstone of out constitution that parliament makes the decisions...

That is quite a high bar to overcome: blithely stating "it was generally accepted", with no supporting evidence is not going to do it.
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Re: what will Brexit do for us?

Postby atticus » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:35 am

Still flogging that dead horse, I see.

May I ask what you think is the meaning of the vote by Parliament to authorise service of notice under Article 50.

Parliament is now considering implementation legislation.
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Re: what will Brexit do for us?

Postby Hairyloon » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:34 am

atticus wrote:May I ask what you think is the meaning of the vote by Parliament to authorise service of notice under Article 50.

Did you not read the passage I posted earlier? The introduction to the Bill that makes it absolutely clear that that Bill is not about a decision. Perhaps you can point out where in the Act passed by the bill that was not about a decision is the decision?

Parliament are by their own argument none too bright and they were mislead by the government.
It is actually a very devious misdirection: because the Prime Minister issued diktat that made it absolutely clear what would happen, the government can keep referring parliament back to that diktat and holding them to it.
Because it was absolutely clear, and the electorate are assumed to be too stupid to understand the basic fundamentals of the constitution they can press on without parliamentary accountability.

Parliament is now considering implementation legislation.

They are, but they are still considering it based on the previous diktat.
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