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Re: Article 50

Postby dls » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:08 pm

An article written from a chap who had his conclusions and is justifying them at whatever leap of logic.

He is entitled to be partisan and to be accordingly blinkered. We do not have to listen.

The real issue now is to set aside the European approach which has led to this mess. When failing to listen to Cameron, they acted - more properly for the context - as if one member of the club was making unreasonable requests. The UK now comes to these negotiations as an independent country with exact equality with the EU. The EU is entitled to seek to set its own terms for negotiations, but we are not bound by those decisions. We are no longer for the purpose of these negotiations a member state seeking to change the way the system works within the EU.

The discussions about any debt to the EU will no doubt be fascinating. My view has developed on this. If the bill is at its highest 50 billion Euros, then that is not, in the scheme of things a huge fee. We would recover it in full within a few years in the absence of contributions to the general EU budget. The sums claimed will have several different characteristics according to the case. Some may indeed be payable, and others not. The EU figure however also fails to take into account our share of EU assets.

In each case there is no obvious direct legal principle shouting out that this sum is or is not due.
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Re: Article 50

Postby diy » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:03 pm

I have to say.. TM is doing a good job. I liked Cameron, I didn't find him particularly arrogant or daft, but TM seems to have the ability to say no nicely and play a calculated hand.

I fear David Davis will need his hand held a lot in the months to come.

Angela Merkel seeking another term.. is starting to look like a dictator.
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Re: Article 50

Postby miner » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:03 pm

Hairyloon wrote:
The Article 50 letter is on its way to Brussels. Theresa May's team have been desperately trying to get the details right. Tone is everything, they say. We need to set the right attitude from the start.

If only they thought this way before. In the weeks after the referendum result, European leaders were shell shocked. They needed reassurances. They needed to know that Britain intended to pursue the divorce cautiously, respectfully and with as much consideration for their own project as its own.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/03 ... article-50


What a load of bollocks.
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Re: Article 50

Postby miner » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:11 pm

diy wrote:I have to say.. TM is doing a good job. ..... TM seems to have the ability to say no nicely and play a calculated hand.

I fear David Davis will need his hand held a lot in the months to come.

Angela Merkel seeking another term.. is starting to look like a dictator.


Spot on! Merkel is now joining the EU hierarchy and making rather a fool of herself, $h1t-scared that she may lose the September election to the former mayor of Würselen (pop. 39,000) - of all people.

And as for "Napoleon" and his silly comments yesterday .... he's going down as the French President who has succeeded in achieving the lowest popularity rating of any French President since WW2. I heard that song I have always liked called "Bonaparte Retreat" ...which when it was played the other day somehow made me thing of Hollande.

In my view the security and intelligence-sharing issues including GCHQ which are unique to the UK within Europe represent a massive bargaining chip with these Euroclowns, whether they like it or not.

It's the UK which holds the real bargaining powers in the Brexit negotiations, not the EU and the Brussels Brigade don't like it "up 'em"! All I see in the EU's silly statements is a very weak position on the side of the sinking EUroship.
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Re: Article 50

Postby atticus » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:16 pm

diy wrote:I liked Cameron, I didn't find him particularly arrogant or daft

We all have our little foibles.
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Re: Article 50

Postby atticus » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:20 pm

May I commend miner for yet more shining examples of posts which do not descend to consideration of issues, but stick to attacking personalities.
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Re: Article 50

Postby miner » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:43 pm

Theresa May has conducted herself with impeccable courtesy and politeness for her part, but here we go, just a day into the preambles, the Brussels Brigade of Champagne Socialists start issuing ill-conceived and absurd preconditions and threats to the UK.

That they are engaging in this deranged, childish stupidity at this early stage shows just how desperate they are.

TM and her team should not allow themselves to be reduced to engaging in the same threats and rhetoric of these EUrogoons.
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