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Lords Debate on Brexit

Postby miner » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:28 pm

I've watched quite a lot of the House of Lords debate, still current.

The thing that strikes me is the appallingly dire general quality of presentations and their shockingly partisan and biased nature.

I have hitherto believed that the House of Lords was overall a positive element in British politics, but having seen the performances of many its members yesterday and today, I have concluded that it must be abolished in its present form.

With a few exceptions, their Lordships are basically a bunch of whining Remoaners / Remainiacs intent on preserving the status quo with the failed EU experiment, but who have little clue about what the EU is about or what it stands for, or where it has got us over the past 2 decades. The presentations of the female members have been particularly poor and generally demonstrated just how utterly clueless these members are.

The HoL, whilst it is supposed to be a revision chamber, is not acting as such - rather as predominantly an ill-informed misch-masch of out-of-touch has-beens, which - based on this debate - is failing abysmally in carrying out its supposed duties and doing no credit to the political system of the United Kingdom.

Apart from Lord Lawson, Lord Owen and a small number of others, they have an entirely false concept of what "The Single Market" actually means and even less clue about cross-border Product Standards.
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Re: Lords Debate on Brexit

Postby shootist » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:39 pm

When you've sold your soul then the devil calls the tune.
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Re: Lords Debate on Brexit

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:51 pm

Most of the ones I heard yesterday were trotting out the "will of the people" mantra, along with the "huge majority from the other place".
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Re: Lords Debate on Brexit

Postby miner » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:07 pm

Hairyloon wrote:Most of the ones I heard yesterday were trotting out the "will of the people" mantra, along with the "huge majority from the other place".


And so they should have been so doing. The other place at least contains elected members, not political and hereditary appointees.
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Re: Lords Debate on Brexit

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:12 pm

With dreary predictability, along comes another post from a Brextremist failing to understand that it is, in fact, possible to disagree with them from honourable motives, and demanding the silencing - or in this case the outright abolition - of any person or body that has the temerity to express a contrary view. It is quite possible to disagree without necessarily being corrupt.

There are two former EU Trade Commissioners in the Lords, along with many others with experience of international trade and diplomacy. It is possible, I suppose, that they are all mistaken and that moaner is the only person who understands the subject, but he will forgive me if I don't put any money on it.

Hairy is correct, there is no reason to suppose the Lords will stand in the way of Brexit: they may revise the legislation, and in doing so invite the Commons to reconsider the detail, but if the Commons insist they will respect that decision. In short, the system is working as it should.
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Re: Lords Debate on Brexit

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:14 pm

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Hairyloon wrote:Most of the ones I heard yesterday were trotting out the "will of the people" mantra, along with the "huge majority from the other place".

And so they should have been so doing. The other place at least contains elected members, not political and hereditary appointees.

The other place contains a bunch of mindless muppets and is constitutionally bankrupt.
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Re: Lords Debate on Brexit

Postby miner » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:40 pm

Smouldering Stoat wrote:
There are two former EU Trade Commissioners in the Lords,


And, if I am correct, Lord Mandelson is one of them. He has been financially - and substantially - enriched by the EU machinery to promote the interests of the EU and its Champagne Socialists and still is, I understand, being paid by the EU in the form of an over-generous pension.

His "experience" and his expressions of support for the EU are therefore hardly neutral or unbiased. He is the paid Piper and the EU is calling his tune. He spoke with a clear, past and current massive conflict of Interest. He spoke in the Lords as a spokesman and lobbyist for the EU, not as a spokesman for the interests of the UK. You clearly have little or no understanding of how far the tentacles of the EU's vast self-serving Publicity Machine - consisting of some 50,000+ lobbyists - extend.
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Re: Lords Debate on Brexit

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:46 pm

Again, it is possible to hold a different point of view to you without having been suborned.
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Re: Lords Debate on Brexit

Postby miner » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:59 pm

Smouldering Stoat wrote:Again, it is possible to hold a different point of view to you without having been suborned.


shootist wrote:When you've sold your soul then the devil calls the tune.
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Re: Lords Debate on Brexit

Postby atticus » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:02 pm

Am I to understand from the above that if I disagree with miner it follows that I have sold my soul to the devil? I would welcome some clarity on this please.
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