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Re: What did we vote for?

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:48 pm

And not at all sensible to reveal them all before we go in order for detractors and enemies to be best able to try and subvert them.


No. There are a lot of businesses that need some certainty about what our trading relationship will be with the rest of the EU, or at least what arrangements the Government will make if we leave with no deal.

What plans are to be made about the future passporting of financial services? For the mutual recognition of pharmaceutical products? What arrangements are to be in place for the management of the Single European Sky? How will the government arrange for veterinary inspection of abattoirs when the majority of its vets are from the EU (British trained vets work almost exclusively in far more lucrative and enjoyable fields), or for continued access for British trawlers to EU waters (our appetite for white fish is fed by products from Norwegian and Icelandic waters)?
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Re: What did we vote for?

Postby miner » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:12 pm

We voted to leave the EU.

The government has conducted itself very sensibly so far by not revealing our expectations in the light of the childish games being played by the EU, particularly by the EU Commission and Council and the clowns employed there.

The EU is in a state of turmoil and disintegration, the extent of which will become more apparent in the next few months following the elections in the Netherlands and in France. The outcomes of those elections will enable the UK to set out its final negotiating positions more strongly.

Most of the Remoaners seem to live in their own, cocooned, dream world, having allowed themselves to be brainwashed for decades by the EU as to what the EU actually achieves for them. Business will be conducted more efficiently without the involvement of the bureaucracy and increasingly undemocratic processes of the EU.

It seems that Poland may well be seeking to exit the EU before long.
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Re: What did we vote for?

Postby dls » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:12 pm

SS,
There are a lot of businesses that need some certainty about what our trading relationship will be with the rest of the EU, or at least what arrangements the Government will make if we leave with no deal.


Yes, all businesses want certainty. What possibility is there of giving any? It is pretending that such a possibility of certainty yet exists which undermines the honesty of the opposition parties. We can and must prepare and plan for leaving with no deal.
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Re: What did we vote for?

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:25 pm

I was addressing miner's argument that leaving with no deal does not require any prior planning. If it is not possible to provide certainty, then at the very least uncertainty needs to be reduced as far as possible.
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Re: What did we vote for?

Postby Hairyloon » Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:57 pm

miner wrote:We voted to leave the EU...

No, we voted to advise parliament that we should.

It is like finding yourself going the wrong way down the motorway: you should get off and perhaps even go back the way you've come from.
When you tell the driver that you need to get off, you don't expect him to suddenly swerve and drive off over the embankment, nor to attempt a U turn through the crash barriers.
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Re: What did we vote for?

Postby miner » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:55 pm

I repeat:

We voted to leave the EU.
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Re: What did we vote for?

Postby Hairyloon » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:40 pm

miner wrote:We voted to leave the EU.

No, we voted to advise parliament that we should.
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Re: What did we vote for?

Postby miner » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:54 am

Smouldering Stoat wrote:Leaving with no deal will require a great deal more planning than leaving with one.


Nonsense.
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Re: What did we vote for?

Postby miner » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:57 am

Hairyloon wrote:
miner wrote:We voted to leave the EU.

No, we voted to advise parliament that we should.


Well, I for one never voted to "advise parliament that we should" leave the EU. I voted to leave the EU.
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Re: What did we vote for?

Postby miner » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:03 am

See dls' post above. He has it about right. You don't.

You don't seem to realize that there is no "certainty" in any business. Business is about coming to considered opinions and involves risks. The risks to the future of the United Kingdom are far greater by NOT extricating ourselves from the EU's tomfoolery and incompetence, and the sooner we are out, the better for for the UK.
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