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European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill

Postby Hairyloon » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:37 pm

I see the bill has been voted through its second reading, but what amendments were passed on it?
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Re: European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill

Postby atticus » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:42 pm

Please report back when you find out.
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Re: European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:52 pm

None. The Bill will now proceed to the Committee Stage, where amendments will be considered. Second Reading considers the Bill in principle.

Most Bills would be referred to a Standing Committee now, but given the constitutional significance of the Bill it will be considered by a Committee of the Whole House.
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Re: European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill

Postby Hairyloon » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:55 pm

Smouldering Stoat wrote:Second Reading considers the Bill in principle.

What is the point of the first reading then?
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Re: European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill

Postby dls » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:12 pm

It allows the Lib Dems to foam at the mouth in public.

As to which, am I mistaken in the following understanding of the LibDem proposal.

We negotiate whatever we can. Everyone thinks this will take longer than two years, so anticpating many provisional agreements, but hey ho.
we get the result of the negotiations and put them to teh people in a second referendum. The people then decide.

There are possible real difficulties with this.
The article 50 notice provides that if no agreement has been reached on the second anniversary, we are just 'out'.
The article 50 procedure makes no provision at all for a change of mind. it is an explicit fundamental of the recent Supreme court decision that the notice is irretrievable, and it is exactly and only because there is no way back, that Parliament can only have a 'significant' say so by having the right to vote against the Bill now before parliament before the Article 50 notice is issued.
It has been said that EU realpolitik will overtake the letter of the law and allow us to change our minds. What possible justification can there be for that as a basis for proceeding?
If we proceed on that basis, will it not exactly encourage the EU to make the deal we are offered impossible of acceptance?

If the proposed referendum results in an answer 'No, we do not want to leave.' what mechanism do the LDs identify to halt what Article 50 says just happens.
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Re: European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:23 pm

Hairyloon wrote:
Smouldering Stoat wrote:Second Reading considers the Bill in principle.

What is the point of the first reading then?


In these circumstances, nothing. First Reading is the formal introduction of the Bill. For example, if a member introduces a Ten Minute Rule Bill it is given a first reading but never heard of again.
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Re: European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill

Postby miner » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:24 pm

The LD's will all once again all fit into one taxi after the next election - if a taxi is even needed.
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Re: European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:24 pm

Whether the Article 50 process is reversible is currently the subject of litigation, currently before the Irish courts, with the intention that it should be ultimately considered by the CJEU.
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Re: European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill

Postby miner » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:25 pm

Who cares, after today's vote in the House of Commons which produced a majority of over 3:1 ?
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Re: European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill

Postby Hairyloon » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:49 pm

The Mail talks of an amendment being rejected, but I am not spotting what that amendment was supposed to be, nor do I understand why this amendment was tabled and rejected, but not any others. :?
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