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Postby dls » Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:41 pm

My sympathies (but still perhaps not my vote) are with the outers, but the recent lambast at Obama that he would never give up US elements of independence does seem to miss a rather important point. The USA is exactly the end of a similar process - the unification of 50+ states into one. Each has surrendered their currency, and their defence and borders to the unified state. Many still regret it, but you cannot deny that it happened.
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Re: Brexit

Postby 3.14 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:11 pm

I see the unification of Europe as a necessary first step towards a world government.
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Re: Brexit

Postby shootist » Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:34 pm

3.14 wrote:I see the unification of Europe as a necessary first step towards a world government.


You think Europe is ever going to be 'united'? And a world government? Those thoughts will give me nightmares. Both will end up as dictatorships.

As for the USA, while it is superficially the same as a 'United States of Europe' I believe there are many differences, far too many to make the comparison a reality.
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Re: Brexit

Postby 3.14 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:11 pm

Interesting statement by Boris on Obama.
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Re: Brexit

Postby shootist » Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:04 pm

Even more interesting is the statement by President Obama. Stay in the EU or get to the back of the queue for trade agreements with the US.
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Re: Brexit

Postby atticus » Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:32 pm

dls has said exactly what I was shouting at Liam Fox on Question Time last night.
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Re: Brexit

Postby 3.14 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:09 pm

shootist wrote:Even more interesting is the statement by President Obama. Stay in the EU or get to the back of the queue for trade agreements with the US.
Just his opinion but a rather interesting one.
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Re: Brexit

Postby Hairyloon » Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:37 am

I was (half) listening to one of them on the wireless the other day, and I think he was making good arguments, but he is so well established as an odious lying scumbag, that I was more moved to vote against him .
I probably won't, but if he has that effect on me, then what about the average voter?
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Re: Brexit

Postby atticus » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:22 am

As shooty might say, I question whether that is a real comparison.
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Re: Brexit

Postby atticus » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:45 am

An interesting piece in the Grauniad by Jonathan Freedland: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... CMP=twt_gu. Explains how President Obama has shot the Brexit Fox.
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