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Re: Put simply

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:56 pm

I'm not convinced Churchill said either of those things.
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Re: Put simply

Postby shootist » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:48 pm

Smouldering Stoat wrote:I'm not convinced Churchill said either of those things.


You live in a grey and dreary world.
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Re: Put simply

Postby 3.14 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:25 pm

It sounds like he was trying to quote a novella by Voltaire called Candide, ou l'Optimisme (Candide: or, Optimism) and failing at it.
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Re: Put simply

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:47 pm

shootist wrote:You live in a grey and dreary world.


John Keats wrote: "Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."
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Re: Put simply

Postby Hairyloon » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:29 pm

Smouldering Stoat wrote:I'm not convinced Churchill said either of those things.

He did not use those words, but I think the interpretation is fair.
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Re: Put simply

Postby shootist » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:09 am

The first of the two is cited somewhere or other as part of a speech he made. The second I have not been able to trace to him but the principle is unarguable. (for the pedants, the two do not contradict each other)
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Re: Put simply

Postby Hairyloon » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:15 am

shootist wrote:
Hairyloon wrote:Only if it is the least worst out of all the available options.


You really think that we have always chosen the least worst of options?

Do you think that is what I said?
Dls appears to think we are stuck with the least worst option, and it may well be the least worst alternative out of those presented after the last civil war, but I do not believe it is the least worst option available to us now... though I suspect it will take a civil war to make any significant change to it. :(
Perhaps we can arrange for one that is less messy than the last one?

Churchill was a great man of his time, and an absolute arse out of it. I genuinely believe he saved this country from the Nazis, but I never forget he was a politician, and said what suited him to say.

It really doesn't matter who said it: either we accept it as wisdom or reject it.
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Re: Put simply

Postby shootist » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:17 am

John Keats wrote: "Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."


Then it is surprising that we were not treated to pictures of the bodies torn apart at the Manchester arena, or any other similar atrocity, in the mainstream media so that we might all admire the beauty contained in the truth therein. Personally I prefer "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." which also explains why we don't see the sort of pictures I mentioned. We can't have this freedom idea running amok now, can we. The sheep can't cope with truth.
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Re: Put simply

Postby Hairyloon » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:18 am

shootist wrote:The first of the two is cited somewhere or other as part of a speech he made.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... column_207
The second I have not been able to trace to him but the principle is unarguable. (for the pedants, the two do not contradict each other)

winstonchurchill.org also unable to trace it, but being pedantic, I don't think "pedant" is the word you are looking for there... ;)
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