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Re: direct and indirect contact

Postby dls » Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:54 pm

A PIN shouldn't list all acts of alleged harassment at the time of the issuing the PIN

can't.
It shouldn't because it can't. The PIN has very little by way of legal significance, and even less statutory provenance. It is a way of saying that a persons behaviour has been a source of nuisance and or distress, and that any further behaviour/contact (not misbehaviour) is done with the knowledge that it is a source of distress and will leave open a possibility of an action. It serves to disable the bleat that "I did not know"

It is simple. Person A wants person B to have nothing more to do with them. If person B cannot accept that then A deserves (under law) protection. The very fact, if it is one, that Person B is keen to explore the limits of the restriction is precisely the justification if needed for refusing to draw the lines too clearly.

B simple accepts that his or her life is elsewhere and goes and gets on with it.
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Re: direct and indirect contact

Postby veritas2409 » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:32 pm

dls wrote:
The PIN has very little by way of legal significance, and even less statutory provenance.


I disagree entirely. If the PIN is issued correctly with a proper conversation about past and future contact then the defendant loses one of his main defences ,ie that he wasn't aware this was harassment
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Re: direct and indirect contact

Postby atticus » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:53 pm

That is a major purpose of these things.
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Re: direct and indirect contact

Postby shootist » Sat Mar 05, 2016 5:46 pm

dls wrote:
A PIN shouldn't list all acts of alleged harassment at the time of the issuing the PIN

can't.



:shock:



Oops! Misread that. :oops:
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Re: direct and indirect contact

Postby DannyJP » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:14 pm

Smouldering Stoat wrote:Surely if it had the desired effect, you wouldn't hear of it?


Yes, that occurred to me as I wrote it :lol:
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Re: direct and indirect contact

Postby veritas2409 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:41 am

Is there no stats ? It would be interesting to know how many PIN's were issued
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Re: direct and indirect contact

Postby atticus » Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:49 am

You may make a Freedom of Information request to your county constabulary.
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Re: direct and indirect contact

Postby veritas2409 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:38 pm

they would only refuse it
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Re: direct and indirect contact

Postby 3.14 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:40 pm

Would they?
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Re: direct and indirect contact

Postby atticus » Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:50 pm

I applaud the OP's optimism. It is a virtue to be encouraged.
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