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Re: Why is this news so quiet?

Postby Hairyloon » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:35 am

dls wrote:Which probably answers your question - It has been sub judice

I'd go to possibly, but not probably; for the reasons mentioned earlier.

The question now is was it a fair sentence?
12 weeks does not seem long for an attempt to solicit murder, and it doesn't seem right that he can get a lower fine because of financial hardship when he's offering £5,000 out for assault.

Tangential question: had somebody had a road accident involving the lady, (an actual accident, not an "accident ;) ;)"), would they have a claim on the convicted?
Can you accidentally fulfil a contract?
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Re: Why is this news so quiet?

Postby atticus » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:45 am

There is a fundamental principle that the courts will not enforce contracts for illegal purposes.

My dictionary does not contain a definition of "accident ;) ;) ".
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Re: Why is this news so quiet?

Postby Hairyloon » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:22 am

atticus wrote:There is a fundamental principle that the courts will not enforce contracts for illegal purposes.

Is an accident an illegal purpose?

My dictionary does not contain a definition of "accident ;) ;) ".

Then what is your understanding of the offending statement:
Baron Strange of Knockin wrote:£5,000 for the first person to ‘accidentally’ run over this bloody troublesome first-generation immigrant
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Re: Why is this news so quiet?

Postby atticus » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:28 am

The word that my dictionary does not define does not appear in that quotation.

I expect that the judge or jury came to a view of what those words meant, prior to convicting this person of this offence.
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Re: Why is this news so quiet?

Postby atticus » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:52 am

This idiot should be stripped of his title - to apply also to his heirs.
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Re: Why is this news so quiet?

Postby Hairyloon » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:11 am

Is there any mechanism to do that?

I heard that his home is held in some kind of trust, so he has full use of it, but does not own it and so it is untouchable by bankruptcy proceedings and he still manages to claim "financial hardship" in respect of his fines.
Whether that is true or not, I believe it is feasible, and indeed quite common in the nobby classes to avoid inheritance tax: is there no means to get around these evasions?
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Re: Why is this news so quiet?

Postby atticus » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:16 am

Yes. CF Mr Fred Goodwin.
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Re: Why is this news so quiet?

Postby Hairyloon » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:44 am

Peerages are not the same as honours: I don't believe the same mechanism applies.
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Re: Why is this news so quiet?

Postby atticus » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:51 am

On reflection I think that may be right. But I think there is a procedure short of a modified Act of Attainder.
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Re: Why is this news so quiet?

Postby Hairyloon » Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:21 pm

I hope so.
I understand the victim is fairly well connected legally: one might expect her to initiate the relevant processes, OTOH, that would likely invite more hatred from his sympathisers.
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