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Re: Fracking and trespass laws

Postby Hairyloon » Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:19 pm

atticus wrote:
Hairyloon wrote:I don't need to explain to you the flaws in that idea. :roll:
that reads a lot like "generic naysaying" to me.

Except that your idea has been tried and tested. Pick up any newspaper and it will tell you about some of the flaws.
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Re: Fracking and trespass laws

Postby Slartibartfast » Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:31 pm

Hairyloon wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:I do not think those comments successfully overcome the difficulties. In fact, they simply add more difficulties.

Perhaps, but they are less difficult difficulties.

No, they really aren't. They are fundamental and fatal flaws (accidental alliteration always amuses).

I think you are under-perceiving that major areas of public service cannot be managed on a fluctuating, unreliable basis. The state is necessarily like the metaphorical super-tanker. The policy goals have to be set years ahead, and the funding to deliver it.
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Re: Fracking and trespass laws

Postby Slartibartfast » Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:45 pm

Hairyloon wrote:
atticus wrote:
Hairyloon wrote:I don't need to explain to you the flaws in that idea. :roll:
that reads a lot like "generic naysaying" to me.

Except that your idea has been tried and tested. Pick up any newspaper and it will tell you about some of the flaws.


Like Churchill said, it is “the worst form of government except for all the others”.
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Re: Fracking and trespass laws

Postby Hairyloon » Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:48 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Like Churchill said, it is “the worst form of government except for all the others...”.

... that have been tried.
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Re: Fracking and trespass laws

Postby atticus » Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:55 pm

".... And it is for good reason that the others remain untried." - Robespierre
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Re: Fracking and trespass laws

Postby Hairyloon » Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:07 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:I think you are under-perceiving that major areas of public service cannot be managed on a fluctuating, unreliable basis.

No I am just expecting the fluctuations to average out into an overall trend.
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Re: Fracking and trespass laws

Postby Hairyloon » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:07 am

Because we get to put a cross on a ballot we have democracy, and because we recognise Churchill's musings on democracy as the truth, we accept that there is no purpose in trying to improve upon it.

Does nobody here spot the flaw in that logic?
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Re: Fracking and trespass laws

Postby Slartibartfast » Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:02 am

Nobody is saying that UK democracy can't or shouldn't be further improved.
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Re: Fracking and trespass laws

Postby Hairyloon » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:34 am

Slartibartfast wrote:Nobody is saying that UK democracy can't or shouldn't be further improved.

No, but it is implied by the trotting out of Churchill's quote, or suggestions like Atti's.
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Re: Fracking and trespass laws

Postby Slartibartfast » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:59 pm

Hairyloon wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Nobody is saying that UK democracy can't or shouldn't be further improved.

No, but it is implied by the trotting out of Churchill's quote, or suggestions like Atti's.

I don't agree. British democracy has changed and grown in many ways since Churchill's time. Churchill himself was part of a major period of change. The history of UK democracy is the history of UK, from Magna Carta to the Suffragettes. Elected Police Commissioners, Scottish independence, the settlement of the Northern Ireland situation.
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