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Freeman On the Land - RIP

Postby dls » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:00 am

Freeman FAQ

I see little point in re-enumerating the 'freeman' folly here. It does not climb to a sufficient status to justify engagement.

It is plain mischief. Those who follow may be innocents abroad, but the leaders deserve no such patience.


Read:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land

It is worth following the link to the list of Freeman successes.
See on page 18:
http://judiciary.sut1.co.uk/docs/benchm ... eb2012.pdf
http://www.legalweek.com/legal-week/blo ... s-nonsense
http://legalbizzle.wordpress.com/2011/1 ... is-sacred/
http://legalbizzle.wordpress.com/2011/1 ... es-in-woo/
http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/
From Canada:
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/c ... t-movement
http://canlii.ca/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/20 ... qb571.html

From which this bit sums it all up: "Freeman methods fail to understand that the law derives its authority from the fact that the state has the means and the will to use force to impose it. You can argue that the authorities have no jurisdiction over you, and you can choose not to recognise their authority, but as long as the authorities have force to back up their rules they can enforce sanctions against you. Freemen would argue that this would be unlawful imprisonment — but at the end of the day you'd still be in jail."
and
"The fact that you sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that the “Law of Gravity” is unconstitutional and a violation of your sovereign rights, does not absolve you of adherence to it."
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Re: Freeman On the Land - RIP

Postby billybunter » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:03 pm

I thought the entire repertoire of FOTL was:-

Arrest - "I do not consent, I do not consent!"
Court - "I do not consent, I do not consent!"
Jail - "I do not consent, I do not consent!"
Release - "I didn't consent, I didn't consent!"
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Re: Freeman On the Land - RIP

Postby dls » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:09 pm

Or
Arrest - 'You can't arrest me I'm in CAPITAL LETTERS'
Court - 'You have me I am from the Family VOWELS'
Jail - 'You should have arrested my fictional alter ego'
Release - 'Oh, no not again - where do I sign on?'
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Re: Freeman On the Land - RIP

Postby Slartibartfast » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:39 pm

They're funny though. I hope to see one jailed before the FMOTL craze passes, like witch-hunting and clackers. It'll be something to tell the grandkids one day, how the naive wretch rambled about admiralty courts and strawmen, even as the guards led him away for a restful break in Armley Jail.
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Re: Freeman On the Land - RIP

Postby dls » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:54 pm

There is of course a certain famous actor Wesley Snipes who is due to be released in a couple of months.

I will never be able to watch one of his films again without thinking 'What a d***head!'
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Re: Freeman On the Land - RIP

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:22 am

dls wrote:There is of course a certain famous actor Wesley Snipes who is due to be released in a couple of months.


If only some high profile celebrity would fall for the freeman baloney and then sue a few of the higher profile freeman pedlars...
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Re: Freeman On the Land - RIP

Postby cbcbcb » Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:06 am

Yeah.......phew..... maybe the videos will stop appearing on youtube now then .. (dls, you keep saying freeman rip , every few months now......) This time is final part 4 , :lol:


Psssst........ If you exclude people from their own legal system who are then abused by trained adults using it against them , we should likely expect to see a BLANK in our society ?

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So, this is for your Blankety blank cheque book and pen....


If you exclude people from their own legal system who are then abused by trained adults using it against them , we should likely expect to see a BLANK in our society ?


Come on everyone, play along......



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Re: Freeman On the Land - RIP

Postby atticus » Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:16 am

That's what I call a skilful dismembering of the OP's argument.
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Re: Freeman On the Land - RIP

Postby peregrine » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:06 am

I will admit to not being a fan of certain people who behave like guru’s, or authorities on “law”, within the freeman movement or other similar philosophies and concepts, but there is just as much miss-interpretation, false claims, allegations being made on both sides, from what I have observed.

A classic example of this, is the Wesley snipes case as previously mentioned, he was not imprisoned for following any freeman or similar methodology’s ?.

Wesley snipes and his legal team made the correct and provable claim that nowhere under any “US” statute or law, there was in fact no obligation specifically stated that legally obliged anybody to file a tax return. That was it; he was not being accused of making or filing false returns as has been most often misleadingly stated.

I would encourage you all to take a look at the links below, this is part of a documentary made by Aaron Russo, and it includes interviews with former IRS agents who testify to this fact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj_PTqtzqro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r37Fm7paVjs
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Re: Freeman On the Land - RIP

Postby dls » Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:12 am

That was not the only issue leading to his imprisonment. He did also bring up the nonsense of the government holding an account for him.

It matters not. It remains in general the stupidest bit of legal nonsense ever seen.
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