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Re: Spy in a suitcase

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:02 pm

There is a video of someone doing it. That is is possible is beyond doubt. Why do you assume that there were many attempts with the same padlock? Remember there must have been something unique about this attempt, because it killed him.

There is no evidence of poisoning. If the toxicology results had shown up poison, it would render all the investigation of how he got into the bag somewhat moot, would it not?
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Re: Spy in a suitcase

Postby Alexb123 » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:52 pm

http://www.ehow.co.uk/info_8696252_stag ... oxide.html

Very interesting article on the effects of CD.
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Re: Spy in a suitcase

Postby Alexb123 » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:55 pm

I've also posted this question online:

Hi All,

This might be a difficult question but it would be great for someone to have a go at it, or point me in the direction of a potential answer.

The Scene (real case):

A young man locks himself in a holdall as part of an escapology venture.

Result:

He dies and his body is left to decay for more than a week before discovery (during an English Summer).

Autopsy:

Inconclusive

Question:

In such a confined space there would have been a build-up of Carbon dioxide (CD). What traces of CD would you expect to find at autopsy more than a week after death if

a) the level of CD were so high it killed him

b) the level of CD caused him to become unconscious

c) the level of CD rose but did not result in any adverse medical outcome (due to another unknown cause of death occurring before toxicity).

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Re: Spy in a suitcase

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:20 pm

It's CO2. CD means Compact Disk, Cross Dresser or Corps Diplomatique. Why have you focussed solely upon CO2 and not other factors that might be present at a post mortem?

And, what is the point of your question? You have already said the PM was inconclusive.
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Re: Spy in a suitcase

Postby Alexb123 » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:41 pm

What types of deaths cause inconclusive postmortems is a vital question.
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Re: Spy in a suitcase

Postby atticus » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:55 pm

Hardly vital.
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Re: Spy in a suitcase

Postby Boo » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:17 pm

Alexb123 wrote:What types of deaths cause inconclusive postmortems is a vital question.


It is for parents who've had children die from SIDS.

Having a HO Coroner inform you that there's no explanation for your child's death is near impossible to accept.
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Re: Spy in a suitcase

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:42 pm

If we could draw any conclusions from the fact that the PM was inconclusive, then it wouldn't be inconclusive.
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Re: Spy in a suitcase

Postby Alexb123 » Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:08 pm

Well said boo. If people read my OP the whole thread is about how inconclusive verdicts come about. Surely, inconclusive is still a conclusion? There must be data on which causes of death produce inconclusive verdicts and adding that pool of data to the actual circumstances I have surmised must allow for a balance of probabilities? This thread has created a list of possible causes, positional asphyxia/CO2 poisoning etc. If we could know which of those deaths is known to be detectable or not detectable at autopsy then we are a huge step closer to the truth.
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Re: Spy in a suitcase

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:18 pm

You think we're going to get to the truth by a bunch of amateurs speculating about it here? Better than an inquest, and a police investigation with access to the latest forensic technology? It's not fucking Poirot.
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