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Schengen or not

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Re: Schengen or not

Postby diy » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:00 pm

It is a legal requirement in France to carry ID. So surely its easy enough to either interview the person and establish the point he first illegally gained access and re-bill the cost back to the country who failed or establish a pot area wide to deal with it.

If nobody got through - nobody would try.
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Re: Schengen or not

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:48 pm

Yes, they would, because they wouldn't know that nobody gets through. These people are paying vast sums of money to people-smuggling gangs to get them into the country. They are told that everything we say is just propaganda to persuade them not to come here and take advantage of our generous benefits and easy-to-come-by jobs. In fact we give them about half what they would be entitled to if they were to claim asylum in France. They don't believe that because it's in the interests of the smugglers to persuade them otherwise. The fact that we make it very difficult to enter the country makes that persuasion easier.
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Re: Schengen or not

Postby diy » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:03 pm

Its not just about weekly payments its access to jobs and healthcare. Once you take that in to account we are an attractive target.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1524588.stm
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Re: Schengen or not

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:13 pm

And you back up this assertion with a link to a news article from September 2001.
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Re: Schengen or not

Postby Russell » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:40 pm

Which is 1000x better than the evidence you didn't post.
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Re: Schengen or not

Postby atticus » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:41 pm

Where's your evidence for that?
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Re: Schengen or not

Postby Russell » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:43 pm

Its was an estimate.
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Re: Schengen or not

Postby Russell » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:44 pm

How many times better is something to nothing?
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Re: Schengen or not

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:57 pm

It is not a mathematical equation. If someone is going to post a link which they claim backs up their point, they have to understand that that link may be scrutinised.

Following Russell's logic, if I were to say that David Cameron is Prime Minister, and he were to post a link to a 13 year old news article that says that Tony Blair is, then his post is 1,000 times better.
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Re: Schengen or not

Postby Russell » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:54 pm

You must be able to measure it. Your position is easy to measure it's a zero (no evidence at all), so yes the link is out of date but it still has a markedly greater credibility. Also, just because it's dated 2001 doesn't actually mean its out of date, it might be something that's remain consistent over time. Can you prove its out of date, other than citing that it's 2001?

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