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Re: Another duff survey

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:47 pm

All I can find are the news reports, too. If the survey was carried out by a British Polling Council member the full crosstabs ought to be available, but I can't find them. The news reports say it was a survey of 2,000 members of their community, which isn't a bad sample size for a survey of this kind, though if the sample is unrepresentative it doesn't matter how big it is.
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Re: Another duff survey

Postby atticus » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:53 pm

I don't think it a valid criticism of a survey about women experiencing harrassment to say that it does not deal with men's experience.
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Re: Another duff survey

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:26 pm

Well, yes: a survey of women's experiences that also surveyed men would obviously be unrepresentative. The survey also failed to survey women who weren't running how often they felt harassed, and if one were running a proper scientific survey then you probably would, in order to establish a baseline level. I think what's important, however, is how accurate a survey is in its own terms. If you want to know what women's experiences are, then ask women. Women's participation in sport is an issue, and if you want to increase it then you need to ask them about their experiences - men's experiences are neither here nor there. If women feel harassed when they're running, and you want to encourage more women to run, then I submit that telling them that men also feel harassed isn't going to deal with the issue. If anything, the methodology might be understating levels of harassment, because women who've suffered it are more likely to have given it up and won't be available to be surveyed.
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Re: Another duff survey

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:32 pm

shootist wrote:... I know at least one very attractive woman who jogged and enjoyed the comments. Also, one might wonder which ones were the ugly ones, and did the harassment differ?


The 1970s called, they want their attitudes back.

Another mechanism for creating statutory victims.


I don't see either a statute, nor a mechanism mentioned, but women that have been harassed are indeed victims of harassment. I'm not sure why that should be problematic.
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Re: Another duff survey

Postby dls » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:57 am

If it is presented clearly as the experience of women with no implication that the experience is particular to women, then OK. That was no how it came across to me. That, I suppose, may be the fault of the BBC journalists - or me.
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Re: Another duff survey

Postby Hairyloon » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:10 pm

dls wrote:If it is presented clearly as the experience of women with no implication that the experience is particular to women, then OK. That was no how it came across to me. That, I suppose, may be the fault of the BBC journalists - or me.

I inferred from it a suggestion that a significant amount of the harassment was sexual in nature, and from harassment, there is always a concern that it may develop to assault...
Not that men don't have trouble with sexual harassment or assault, but I think it is much less of a problem.
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Re: Another duff survey

Postby dls » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:53 am

The problem is that they rely upon you to extend the value of the survey by making just such unjustified inferences. Without your inference the survey has very little value.
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Re: Another duff survey

Postby Boo » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:08 pm

dls wrote:I did try the EA site. All I had was the BBC report


It did cross my mind whether you'd been watching Loose Women! ;)

I wonder if the BBC report followed this article http://www.runnersworld.com/running-while-female#survey
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Re: Another duff survey

Postby Hairyloon » Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:01 pm

dls wrote:The problem is that they rely upon you to extend the value of the survey by making just such unjustified inferences...

If they are relying on it, and therefore designing it to invoke such inference then that inference is not unjustified, only inaccurate.
Though you may note that I inferred only the suggestion, and as such, I think the inference retains accuracy.
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Re: Another duff survey

Postby Spankymonkey » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:37 pm

Men don't matter David. Get with the political narrative.
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