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Re: Taxi drivers and mobile phones

Postby Hairyloon » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:21 pm

dls wrote:
I would suggest that black and white is easier when it comes to law, but very far from being better.


agreed

I am not seeing how it can be better to not have a clear and unambiguous distinction, where possible, between what is allowed and what is not.
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Re: Taxi drivers and mobile phones

Postby atticus » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:44 pm

It does not allow for shades of grey, of which there are at least 50.
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Re: Taxi drivers and mobile phones

Postby Hairyloon » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:45 pm

atticus wrote:It does not allow for shades of grey, of which there are at least 50.

Which is fine, if you like that kind of thing, but in any other context, what is the advantage?
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Re: Taxi drivers and mobile phones

Postby Hairyloon » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:25 pm

DannyJP wrote:This was what I was referring to earlier. Is looking at a phone to tell the time, or some other non-interactive function "using."

Definitely not black and white.

Today's judgment about a lorry driver appears clear that it is: he was using the phone as a music player.
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Re: Taxi drivers and mobile phones

Postby atticus » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:46 pm

He was convicted on 4 counts of causing death by dangerous driving, not of using a mobile phone.
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Re: Taxi drivers and mobile phones

Postby Hairyloon » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:56 pm

atticus wrote:He was convicted on 4 counts of causing death by dangerous driving, not of using a mobile phone.

Thank you for the clarification.
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Re: Taxi drivers and mobile phones

Postby Kiko4564 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:46 pm

I believe that being fixed to the dash it would be hands free and therefore the driver could use it whilst driving, although I would NOT ever consider it!
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Re: Taxi drivers and mobile phones

Postby Hairyloon » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:55 pm

Kiko4564 wrote:I believe that being fixed to the dash it would be hands free and therefore the driver could use it whilst driving, although I would NOT ever consider it!

The rule is, I believe, that to be properly hands free, then you have to operate it without using your hands. Presumably you can use your feet, although I understand many devices these days have reasonably effective voice activation.
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Re: Taxi drivers and mobile phones

Postby theycantdothat » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:54 am

Hairyloon wrote:I am not seeing how it can be better to not have a clear and unambiguous distinction, where possible, between what is allowed and what is not.


The history of English law is partly the history of trying to strike a balance between certainty and justice. Simple laws strictly enforced leads to injustice. Certainty is reserved for theologians.
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