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Call for Scots Referendum

Postby dls » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:09 pm

Miss Sturgeon has called for a second indyref (Scoxit?)

It had to come - and for peiople i Scotland there will be another and another and another until she gets her way.

My understanding is that whilst the Scots are free to call for one, one can only properly be granted by the UK Parliament. Is this correct.

If the Scots Parliament calls for one, I do not think it can be refused politically by London, but I think the vote can be held at a convenient time.

No doubt we will soon restart all those tired arguments.

I suspect that it may all come down to the price of oil. As it is an independent Scotland would be an economic basket case, unwelcome in the EU, and without a currency.
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Re: Call for Scots Referendum

Postby atticus » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:30 pm

Isn't the problem that having been told by England that an independent Scotland couldn't stay in the EU, the English then voted to withdraw Scotland from the EU anyway?

I can understand a sense of having been shafted.

Is that a tired old argument?
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Re: Call for Scots Referendum

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:42 pm

Exactamundo. And the current Scottish Government was elected on a manifesto pledge to call a second referendum under circumstances like these.

The UK Government says that a second referendum would be "divisive and cause huge economic uncertainty." Of course, because holding a referendum with no idea what would happen in the future, but with huge potential for economic disruption would be a really stupid thing to do.
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Re: Call for Scots Referendum

Postby shootist » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:31 pm

If an independent Scotland would be a financial basket case then no wonder it would seek EU membership like a homing pigeon would seek it's home. I also suspect that if the UK manages to exist the EU then the EU would go out of it's way to allow an independent Scotland to join just to piss off the remainder of the UK.
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Re: Call for Scots Referendum

Postby Hairyloon » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:35 pm

Since Northern Ireland also want to remain in the EU and Wales was quite possibly voting more against Westminster than the EU, I suggest that Scotland invites them both along for the vote, and if the vote goes that way then the UK can remain in the EU and England can leave the UK. Simples.
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Re: Call for Scots Referendum

Postby atticus » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:16 pm

It is not necessary always to add an extra layer of complication.
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Re: Call for Scots Referendum

Postby atticus » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:31 pm

The FT has a useful analysis.
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Re: Call for Scots Referendum

Postby diy » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:23 am

The biggest frustration is the media frenzy that will now go on for months and years. If i was TM i'd make them get another mandate at the next general election. The SNP can't keep doing this until they get the right answer.

I can't imagine buying euro at the current exchange rate.
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Re: Call for Scots Referendum

Postby atticus » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:34 am

Why can the SNP not keep doing this? Farage promised to if the EU referendum went the other way. This is what campaigns do, they keep going.

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Re: Call for Scots Referendum

Postby diy » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:25 am

i was referencing the need for scottish people to buy euro.

They said last time it was a once in a generation request.
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