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Electoral Psy-Ops?

Electoral Psy-Ops?

Postby Hairyloon » Mon May 08, 2017 4:45 pm

Possibly an over-dramatic title, but it is clear from this article and others that the capabilities of technology have far outstripped the capacity of the law to keep our electoral campaigning systems properly regulated...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -democracy
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Re: Electoral Psy-Ops?

Postby shootist » Mon May 08, 2017 5:19 pm

That is one of the most unclear articles I have read recently. Paranoid bollocks mainly. Rich bad men are using computers to run the world. Well, rich powerful men have been manipulating the masses since there were masses. Oddly enough, it's all the fault of Trump and other ultra fanatic extremist, as far right as it's possible to go without crawling back into your own left ear, fascists, (anyone who isn't left wing). Odd that, especially coming from the Gruniad.
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Re: Electoral Psy-Ops?

Postby atticus » Mon May 08, 2017 5:43 pm

Rant over, would you now please read the article. Yes there may be some aspects of conspiracy theory, but if you remove your blinkers, you will be able to form an idea of the ways 'Big Data' may be used to affect all of our lives, in so many ways.

Some of those effects may be beneficial, eg in epidemiology, others really quite worrying.
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Re: Electoral Psy-Ops?

Postby dls » Mon May 08, 2017 10:04 pm

Big data is hugely powerful in discovering the realities. We are going to have to live with it.

The weakness of the paper comes in establishing any effect in changing those realities from the use of big data, beyond saying that the politicians paid a lot for very powerful information. They bought a (much) better research tool. It is a long way from saying that was improper.
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Re: Electoral Psy-Ops?

Postby Hairyloon » Mon May 08, 2017 11:17 pm

dls wrote:It is a long way from saying that was improper.


The big question is of what is or is not improper in the world of politics. Or rather, not what is, but what should be.
Is it improper to research and identify the undecided and gullible in order to more effectively mislead them into voting the way you want?
No, it is not: that is, as previously touched on in parliament, how politics works and is expected to work. If we do not stand up and reject it then by default we accept it and can settle back and watch the last respectable vestiges of democracy crumble into dust.
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Re: Electoral Psy-Ops?

Postby Hairyloon » Tue May 09, 2017 7:48 am

Apparently this was discussed on Panorama last night and Radio 4 this morning (just before 8:30am).
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Re: Electoral Psy-Ops?

Postby dls » Tue May 09, 2017 9:20 am

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Re: Electoral Psy-Ops?

Postby dls » Tue May 09, 2017 9:36 am

The Panorama special says that Facebook is better then we think. It says nothing to suggest that facebook misuses the undoubted power in the data.
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Re: Electoral Psy-Ops?

Postby Hairyloon » Tue May 09, 2017 10:26 am



If only they put so much effort into doing the actual job we pay them to do. :(
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Re: Electoral Psy-Ops?

Postby atticus » Tue May 09, 2017 11:21 am

That article is about political parties. So, in the light of hairy's point -

Who are "they"?

Who are "we"?

What is the job that "we" pay "them" to do?
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