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Votes of No Confidence.

Re: Votes of No Confidence.

Postby dls » Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:55 pm

HL, this is HopeLess
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Re: Votes of No Confidence.

Postby Hairyloon » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:27 pm

dls wrote:HL, this is HopeLess

I thought you would say that, but why? And what is it that you think we seek to hope for?
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Re: Votes of No Confidence.

Postby atticus » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:00 am

Please tell us for what it is that you seek to hope.
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Re: Votes of No Confidence.

Postby Hairyloon » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:53 am

I seek to hope for a long term plan for the future.
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Re: Votes of No Confidence.

Postby atticus » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:20 am

Then, unlike Boris and the Brexiteers, you need to have a plan for what is to happen should your vote succeed.
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Re: Votes of No Confidence.

Postby shootist » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:39 am

atticus wrote:Then, unlike Boris and the Brexiteers, you need to have a plan for what is to happen should your vote succeed.


There is precedent in not having a plan for after you win. It is currently much discussion in various quarters.

But, what was the plan if Boris and the Brexiteers had lost and the remain camp had won? Presumably the plan would be to hand responsibility for making the plan to the EU and hope they a) actually have a plan, and b) that they play nicely. Some plan that.
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Re: Votes of No Confidence.

Postby Hairyloon » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:47 am

atticus wrote:Then, unlike Boris and the Brexiteers, you need to have a plan for what is to happen should your vote succeed.

My plan is to see what they do. And to listen to the discussions before and after.

Your mistake, and the government's is to look at the vote in isolation. A referendum should not simply be the vote, the whole vote and nothing but the vote; the thing and the whole of the thing needs to be considered the campaign, the discussions, debate and indeed consequences are all part and parcel of the message.
This is why we have representative democracy, so the elected representatives can look at the whole of the message and make an informed decision upon the country's best interests.

So a vote of no confidence should provoke debate, and from that debate, we can distil a plan. Or possibly a few plans.
By the time the vote actually happens the government should have made some proposals as to why we should have confidence in them, and we can choose to believe them or not.
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Re: Votes of No Confidence.

Postby atticus » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:13 pm

So now we know what is my mistake, would you care to 'fess up to yours?
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Re: Votes of No Confidence.

Postby atticus » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:15 pm

Shooter, the plan for not leaving the EU was as follows:

1. Remain in the EU.
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Re: Votes of No Confidence.

Postby Hairyloon » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:48 pm

atticus wrote:So now we know what is my mistake, would you care to 'fess up to yours?

Which one? There is so much choice...
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