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Act of Parliament required for Article 50?

Re: Act of Parliament required for Article 50?

Postby atticus » Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:00 pm

The EU is made up of Member States.

You may not like that, but that is how it is.
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Re: Act of Parliament required for Article 50?

Postby miner » Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:39 pm

atticus wrote:The EU is made up of Member States.

You may not like that, but that is how it is.


.... Which is exactly my point. Whether I like it or not is irrelevant both to me and to the issue.

All the EU sees the various members as is "States", operating under the controls and auspices of the EU. Brexit will mean that the UK will have to be properly referred to by these clowns as a Country and not as a State.

The EU Commission's increasing arrogance as to its own self-important status has led to its having almost zero respect for its members as "Countries".

As to Juncker, last week he was asking Nigel Farage why he was at the EU Parliament, given that the UK had now decided to leave, today he's accusing him of jumping ship. The guy doesn't seem to know what time of day it is. No wonder, perhaps, given the reports of his penchant for consuming copies quantities of cognac for breakfast, and then topping up with claret for the rest of the day. I saw the video of him welcoming the Hungarian president and other dignitaries in 2015 - he was so drunk he could barely stand.
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Re: Act of Parliament required for Article 50?

Postby atticus » Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:46 pm

The United Nations website tells us that the United Nations is made up of 193 Member States.

A state is a political unit. 'Country' is a word with potential for ambiguity in this context. I di not think that the distinction you are trying to make is a valid one.
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Re: Act of Parliament required for Article 50?

Postby dls » Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:49 pm

Perhaps Scotland might practise by applying to join the UN, or even something less ambitious such as the ECHR.
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Re: Act of Parliament required for Article 50?

Postby miner » Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:59 pm

dls wrote:Perhaps Scotland might practise by applying to join the UN, or even something less ambitious such as the ECHR.


More words of common sense and wisdom from you, dls! What a good idea.

Come on, Nicky, get on with it!
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Re: Act of Parliament required for Article 50?

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:58 pm

atticus wrote:A state is a political unit.

What acually is a state? Where does a state begin and end?
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Re: Act of Parliament required for Article 50?

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:41 pm

(1) An independent nation recognised by the UN in its own right.

(2) At its borders, or the limit of its territorial waters, as the case may be.
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Re: Act of Parliament required for Article 50?

Postby atticus » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:18 pm

Hairyloon wrote:
atticus wrote:A state is a political unit.

What acually is a state? Where does a state begin and end?

At its borders. Unless it's China, in which case it builds a few islands and extends its territorial limits.
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Re: Act of Parliament required for Article 50?

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:32 pm

Smouldering Stoat wrote:(1) An independent nation recognised by the UN in its own right.

Slightly helpful, but calling it a nation rather than a state just gives the problem a different name, but perhaps I have not defined the problem properly?
Perhaps compare to a company: it is much easier to envisage a company as an entity because it is clear what is company and what is not company: everything is covered by contracts. It owns its land and assets; it does not own its employees, but it does own their contracts.
With a country things are not so clear: what is nation and what is not nation? Are you a part of the nation? What about your house and lands?
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Re: Act of Parliament required for Article 50?

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:41 pm

Why don't you have a go, Hairy? All these questions are the easy part.
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