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Brexit and 'what if'.

Re: Brexit and 'what if'.

Postby diy » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:25 am

So it looks like the final weapon in project fear is a punishment budget - I call bluff.
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Re: Brexit and 'what if'.

Postby Hairyloon » Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:31 am

diy wrote:So it looks like the final weapon in project fear is a punishment budget - I call bluff.

Which side's project fear?
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Re: Brexit and 'what if'.

Postby atticus » Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:20 am

Project Fear is the Brexiteers' thing. Telling scary stories about the EU bogeyman.
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Re: Brexit and 'what if'.

Postby dls » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:12 am

I have to say that my general opinion of politicians has fallen even more as a result of this referendum debate.

There has been a substantial pile of pretty disgraceful trash talk. I would not want to say which side has been worse.
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Re: Brexit and 'what if'.

Postby diy » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:56 pm

Its multi-dimensional and the politicians can't handle the concept. Both make the mistake of comparing now with the future. You have to compare the future with the future and you have to consider the chain reaction effect either option may cause.

I couldn't make my mind up either way. I was left with don't like how it is, but the alternative maybe worse vs. its only going to get worse and we'll be dragged down with it.

I really hope we have a leave vote by the tiniest majority, so that the powers that be see it as a mandate to renegotiate a better stay deal.
- free movement of people needs brakes - simple
- legislative harmony needs to account for sovereign needs/wants

I think there would then be a much bigger swing to remain.

I honestly don't think too many people can remember what Cameron got in his better deal - its long forgotten.
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Re: Brexit and 'what if'.

Postby atticus » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:57 pm

DIY

Your proposed course of action is barking.

Vote for one of the options because that is the option you prefer.

Voting for the option you do not prefer because you think if it wins by a small majority something else will happen could not be dafter. A referendum is a blunt instrument. It is Yes or No, not Yes But No But.

Be extremely careful what you wish for.
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Re: Brexit and 'what if'.

Postby atticus » Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:12 pm

Here's an interesting piece by Kieron Beal QC on why he's voting In:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/some-per ... le-comment
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Re: Brexit and 'what if'.

Postby diy » Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:46 pm

i didn't say I was voting leave to secure another round of remain negations. i said i hoped that leave would win by a tiny majority to get another round. I think most people are voting for one over the other by the tiniest of margin. a better deal would have made this s lot easier.

in any case I've already voted

I read the article. he compares now vs future not future vs future. A barristers job is to argue a point of view.
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Re: Brexit and 'what if'.

Postby atticus » Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:03 pm

He does indeed express his personal views better than you do yours.
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Re: Brexit and 'what if'.

Postby Hairyloon » Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:17 pm

atticus wrote:He does indeed express his personal views better than you do yours.

Oh my, hold the presses: a professional wordsmith does a better job than an amateur one (no disrespect diy).
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