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Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:31 pm

Of course there was a national crisis. World War II had broken out and one of our allies had been invaded. Are you seriously suggesting that the King might have prevented the Prime Minister from declaring war until we'd faffed around having a General Election?
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Postby Hairyloon » Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:27 pm

Smouldering Stoat wrote:Of course there was a national crisis. World War II had broken out and one of our allies had been invaded.

Yes of course there was, but we are not talking about what did happen, we are talking about what might have happened had history been substantially different: enough so that His Majesty had fair reason to believe the electorate were against a war with Germany.
If you are going to hypothesise such a radical change to history, then you may just as well hypothesise that we were allied with Germany and not France.
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Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:57 pm

No, that's not the case at all. There is no democratic or other control over the King's exercise of his prerogative powers; there isn't actually any requirement for him to have such a belief because he's not answerable to anyone. Members of Parliament must face the electorate, even if it is ex post facto, but the King need not do so.

I reject your presumption that the King must be correct about everything.
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Postby Hairyloon » Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:07 pm

I suggest you go back and have another read of the Dicey book, and/or the constitution.
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Postby 3.14 » Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:12 pm

atticus wrote:I think Charles will have more sense than slarti gives credit for.
Well, he believes in homeopathy.
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Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:29 pm

Hairyloon wrote:I suggest you go back and have another read of the Dicey book, and/or the constitution.


By what mechanism is it to be established that the monarch really does have this belief? What stops him from lying about it?

Please tell me you aren't proposing judicial review.
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Postby Hairyloon » Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:37 pm

Smouldering Stoat wrote:By what mechanism is it to be established that the monarch really does have this belief?

The test is not whether he has the belief, but whether he has fair reason to have it.
What stops him from lying about it?

It would be unconstitutional.
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Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:56 pm

What is to stop him from acting unconstitutionally?
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Postby Hairyloon » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:11 pm

The constitution.
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Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:20 pm

Perhaps you have not understood the question. What mechanism exists to ensure that the monarch obeys the constitution?
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