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Another Expedition to the World of Freeman Law

Re: Another Expedition to the World of Freeman Law

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:05 am

I have been moved to wonder what is actually the meaning of the word "freeman"? If it just means free man, then why not say so and avoid confusion?
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Re: Another Expedition to the World of Freeman Law

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:03 am

Because that's what it says in Magna Carta and the other documents that they have misunderstood.
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Re: Another Expedition to the World of Freeman Law

Postby atticus » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:09 am

I am moved to add that stoaty's explanation applies to the whole of the phrase "freeman on the land".
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Re: Another Expedition to the World of Freeman Law

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:02 am

Smouldering Stoat wrote:Because that's what it says in Magna Carta and the other documents that they have misunderstood.

Really?
I thought it was written in Latin.

atticus wrote:I am moved to add that stoaty's explanation applies to the whole of the phrase "freeman on the land".

I am not interested in the "freeman on the land". Whatever section that that appears in has been repealed.
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Re: Another Expedition to the World of Freeman Law

Postby atticus » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:16 am

Latin texts are easily and regularly translated, and approved "official" versions exist - http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/Latin/ ... Carta.html contains the latin original and a translation. You will see that the phrase used is "liber homo" (and declensions thereof). "Liber" means "free" and "homo" is "man".
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Re: Another Expedition to the World of Freeman Law

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:43 am

It is unsurprising that it should be "freeman" rather than "free man." We commonly create compound nouns ending in ~man. Postman, milkman, trencherman, and so on. Don't ask me why, I'm just a layman.
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Re: Another Expedition to the World of Freeman Law

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:00 am

Indeed, but a layman is not a man who lays, nor a milkman a man who milks. It is not an unreasonable question to ask the meaning of freeman is only a man who is free.
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Re: Another Expedition to the World of Freeman Law

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:17 am

No, it is more complicated than that. A Freeman was someone who had the status of Freeman, but not everyone who was free was a Freeman. The King was obviously free, but he'd have been somewhat annoyed if you'd described him as a Freeman.
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Re: Another Expedition to the World of Freeman Law

Postby Hairyloon » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:27 am

I imagine he'd be less than happy at being described as Homo sapiens, but that doesn't mean he wasn't one.
But that brings me back to my question: if "freeman" does not mean a man who is free, then what does it mean?
atticus wrote:Latin texts are easily and regularly translated, and approved "official" versions exist - http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/Latin/ ... Carta.html contains the latin original and a translation. You will see that the phrase used is "liber homo" (and declensions thereof). "Liber" means "free" and "homo" is "man".

That would appear to indicate that "freeman" simply means free man.
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Re: Another Expedition to the World of Freeman Law

Postby Slartibartfast » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:36 am

Hairyloon wrote:I am not interested in the "freeman on the land". Whatever section that that appears in has been repealed.


Adherents to the 'freeman' woo do not accept this. In particular they assert Clause 61 as remaining valid.

http://www.veronicachapman.com/vlinks/M ... icle61.htm
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... _rebellion
http://shapefreedom.com/directory/lawfu ... on-to-qe2/
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