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Re: Free Elections.

Postby atticus » Mon May 11, 2015 8:04 am

atticus wrote:Would you like to start a thread on the merits of the first past the post system and whether an alternative is required?
And your quoting/answering only the first part of this question is a good example.
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Re: Free Elections.

Postby Hairyloon » Mon May 11, 2015 8:05 am

Not seeing your point, unless it is that the other people in safe seats don't have their opinions freely expressed in the choice of legislature.

I think that is so obvious that it goes without saying.
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Re: Free Elections.

Postby Hairyloon » Mon May 11, 2015 8:08 am

atticus wrote:
atticus wrote:Would you like to start a thread on the merits of the first past the post system and whether an alternative is required?
And your quoting/answering only the first part of this question is a good example.

In what way?
Does the latter part of your question change the substance of the first part?
Is the latter part not adequately answered by my reply to the first part?
You may note that I do always* indicate when I quote only a part of a post.

{*except perhaps when I forget.}
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Re: Free Elections.

Postby atticus » Mon May 11, 2015 8:14 am

A reminder of what was being discussed until the OP decided that the discussion on this question demonstrated a consensus of opinion on something very different.
Hairyloon wrote:
ECHR Protocol 1, Article3 wrote:The High Contracting Parties undertake to hold free elections at reasonable intervals by secret ballot, under conditions which will ensure the free expression of the opinion of the people in the choice of the legislature.


Have the 5+ million who voted for UKIP and Green got free expression of their opinion in their choice of legislature?
What about all the people who felt obliged to vote tactically? Who can guess how many of those there might be?

If one was convinced that these answers were "no", what could be done? Could it be taken for a Judicial Review?
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Re: Free Elections.

Postby Hairyloon » Mon May 11, 2015 8:25 am

I ask again that you explain why it is so different.
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Re: Free Elections.

Postby Millbrook2 » Mon May 11, 2015 8:27 am

Hairyloon wrote:Yes, but the outcome demonstrates how badly the process meets the requirement.


Oh no it doesn't.
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Re: Free Elections.

Postby dls » Mon May 11, 2015 3:33 pm

HL, sorry, but this like the prat bleating on on the TV this morning abut how people were disenfranchised because they could not get off their arses to vote.

What constitutes compliance with this obligation has been often explored by the ECtHR. Our system is not in breach.

First past the post is not perfect. Every system I have seen described also has horrible failings.

We have the idea of a constituency MP with duites to his electorate and his conscience over and above those he has to his party. It is difficult to maintain that in other systems.
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Re: Free Elections.

Postby Hairyloon » Mon May 11, 2015 3:56 pm

dls wrote:What constitutes compliance with this obligation has been often explored by the ECtHR.

Can I press you for some references? Or at least some hints on where and what to search for.
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Re: Free Elections.

Postby atticus » Mon May 11, 2015 4:12 pm

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Re: Free Elections.

Postby Hairyloon » Mon May 11, 2015 5:42 pm

I'd assumed dls had meant judgments, but thank you. I'll have a look later...
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