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Suicide and the right to life.

Suicide and the right to life.

Postby Hairyloon » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:53 am

Over the past few years there have been some reports in the news of people killing themselves over some government policy or other: the so called "bedroom tax" and various benefit sanctions are the ones that spring to mind.

If that really was a significant cause of the suicide, then is that a breach of their right to life?
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Re: Suicide and the right to life.

Postby atticus » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:10 pm

You raise questions of causation and proximate causation.
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Re: Suicide and the right to life.

Postby Boo » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:16 pm

I agree.

What are these reports, Hairy? Inquest verdicts?
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Re: Suicide and the right to life.

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:50 pm

This news reportrefers to a FOI request to the DWP, which suggests have carried out 60 "peer reviews" where a suicide appears to be related to DWP activity.
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Re: Suicide and the right to life.

Postby Hairyloon » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:55 pm

Boo wrote:What are these reports, Hairy? Inquest verdicts?

No, newspaper reports. Which, as I will have read them on t'internet will have been worth the paper they were printed on. ;)

The specific cases are not in question as we would not and could not have sufficient information upon which to comment, but they prompted me to wonder about hypotheticals.
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Re: Suicide and the right to life.

Postby dls » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:56 pm

There is a huge stretch from data collected by a department to make sure its arse is covered to an infringement of the right too life.
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Re: Suicide and the right to life.

Postby Hairyloon » Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:13 pm

If the data is to show that the department correctly followed the procedures laid down by the government, it is unlikely to say anything about whether those procedures caused any breaches.
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Re: Suicide and the right to life.

Postby atticus » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:14 pm

It occurred to me that those posting about the "right to life" might do well to proceed from an understanding of what exactly constitutes this right. I am therefore moved to post an extract from Schedule 1 of the Human Rights Act 1998.

SCHEDULE 1
The Articles

PART I
The Convention
Rights and Freedoms

Article 2
Right to life

1 Everyone’s right to life shall be protected by law. No one shall be deprived of his life intentionally save in the execution of a sentence of a court following his conviction of a crime for which this penalty is provided by law.

2 Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this Article when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:
(a)in defence of any person from unlawful violence;

(b)in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully detained;

(c)in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection.
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Re: Suicide and the right to life.

Postby Hairyloon » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:42 pm

In this context, that boils down to:
Everyone’s right to life shall be protected by law.
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Re: Suicide and the right to life.

Postby atticus » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:50 pm

That is not an opinion I share, noting that your boiling down consists of quoting the first sentence and chucking away the rest.

A better reduction, I suggest, is to say that no person shall be unlawfully deprived of life by action of the state.

In the context of the discussion in this thread, you may wish to consider whether any of the persons to whom you refer have been deprived of life by the state.
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