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Re: Peter Smith J - in trouble again

Postby dls » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:36 am

Denning

You seem to have managed to get hold of the wrong end of a non-existent stick.
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Re: Peter Smith J - in trouble again

Postby atticus » Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:46 am

Lord Grabiner QC is a barrister, not a judge.
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Re: Peter Smith J - in trouble again

Postby Denning » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:01 pm

dls wrote:Denning

You seem to have managed to get hold of the wrong end of a non-existent stick.

atticus wrote:Lord Grabiner QC is a barrister, not a judge.

There was a picture at the Royal Courts of Justice in the late 1990s or early 2000s where there were all cited as judges of the High Court.
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Re: Peter Smith J - in trouble again

Postby dls » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:32 pm

. . and that would signify?
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Re: Peter Smith J - in trouble again

Postby atticus » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:38 pm

IF you saw such a picture, it was wrongly captioned. But I suggest that your memory is at fault.

There is another point: Anyone who holds or has held high judicial office may not act as an advocate in the courts of England and Wales. Lord Grabiner QC was appearing as an advocate in the Harb case.
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Re: Peter Smith J - in trouble again

Postby dls » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:38 pm

Of course wikipedia might be wrong, but
Anthony Stephen Grabiner, Baron Grabiner, QC (born 21 March 1945) is a British barrister, academic administrator, and life peer. He is head of chambers at One Essex Court, a leading set of commercial barristers in the Temple,[1] and was the Treasurer of Lincoln's Inn for 2013.[2] Since 2014, he has been the Master of Clare College, Cambridge, and since 2015, he has served as the President of the University of Law.

In 1999, he was made a life peer as Baron Grabiner, and sat in the House of Lords on the Labour Party benches. In October 2015, he resigned the Labour whip over the direction the party was taking under Jeremy Corbyn. He now sits in the Lords as a Non-affiliated member but remains a member of the Labour Party.
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Re: Peter Smith J - in trouble again

Postby Denning » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:06 pm

atticus wrote:IF you saw such a picture, it was wrongly captioned. But I suggest that your memory is at fault.

There is another point: Anyone who holds or has held high judicial office may not act as an advocate in the courts of England and Wales. Lord Grabiner QC was appearing as an advocate in the Harb case.

dls wrote:Of course wikipedia might be wrong, but
Anthony Stephen Grabiner, Baron Grabiner, QC (born 21 March 1945) is a British barrister, academic administrator, and life peer. He is head of chambers at One Essex Court, a leading set of commercial barristers in the Temple,[1] and was the Treasurer of Lincoln's Inn for 2013.[2] Since 2014, he has been the Master of Clare College, Cambridge, and since 2015, he has served as the President of the University of Law.

In 1999, he was made a life peer as Baron Grabiner, and sat in the House of Lords on the Labour Party benches. In October 2015, he resigned the Labour whip over the direction the party was taking under Jeremy Corbyn. He now sits in the Lords as a Non-affiliated member but remains a member of the Labour Party.

dls, I decided to check the wikepedia to read it for myself and found something you crucially left out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_G ... n_Grabiner
Made a Queen's Counsel in 1981, he became a Bencher in 1989, and a Recorder of the Crown Court between 1990 and 1999. Grabiner has been a Deputy High Court Judge since 1994.
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Re: Peter Smith J - in trouble again

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:23 pm

Benchers are not judges.

You will note that Lord Grabiner's time as a Recorder ended at the time of his appointment as a working peer. You have crucially left out the rest of that paragraph which makes clear his return to private practice. Was this omission deliberate or accidental?
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Re: Peter Smith J - in trouble again

Postby Denning » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:28 pm

Smouldering Stoat wrote:Benchers are not judges.

You will note that Lord Grabiner's time as a Recorder ended at the time of his appointment as a working peer. You have crucially left out the rest of that paragraph which makes clear his return to private practice. Was this omission deliberate or accidental?

I do not know how you wish to dice it. Perhaps let me quote our practising solicitor's comment above in case you did not read it given that you have seen my contribution and your reaction would be to oppose it. :D
Anyone who holds or has held high judicial office may not act as an advocate in the courts of England and Wales.


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Through loudspeakers installed in British High Court in London, a Judge dressed in horsehair wig and judicial robe listened carefully for a final time last week (Nov 4) to the lyrics of ‘Oh Carolina’.

Seated before Deputy Judge Anthony Grabiner were two aging men with different accounts of the inspiration behind the song’s composition. Hundreds of thousands of pounds in royalties hung on the outcome of the case.

In the end, Judge Grabiner climaxed the five-day hearing by ruling that Dr John Folkes was the song’s author, and not Prince Buster, who has long claimed the credit – and the royalties accruing from its recent success.

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Re: Peter Smith J - in trouble again

Postby Smouldering Stoat » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:31 pm

Define "high judicial office".
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