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Destroying evidence.

Postby Hairyloon » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:35 am

Moved by concerns expressed by David Lammy MP about the Grenfell fire, I am wondering what laws exist to prevent the destruction of evidence.

I would think that if the evidence was held by a public office, then destroying it may constitute Misconduct in Public Office, since it is a breach of the public's trust.
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Re: Destroying evidence.

Postby atticus » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:45 am

There are laws that require records to be kept.

Then there are laws relating to obstruction of justice and perverting the course of justice.
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Re: Destroying evidence.

Postby Hairyloon » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:48 am

Is stupidity a defence to any of those? Along the line of "I didn't realise they'd be important".
Was any action on those lines taken against people in the News of The World after their mass purge?
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Re: Destroying evidence.

Postby dls » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:00 am

and does he have a single ground for suggesting this as a risk?
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Re: Destroying evidence.

Postby shootist » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:47 am

Pondering this very subject, I thought it might have been good if TM had ordered the police to take over every council document store to prevent such a possibility. Then, thinking on, it would have been a complete and utter waste of time because the mob ruled media would have just screamed "Cover up." The first casualty of (a class) war is truth. I can't help but feel that Dr Goebells is looking down upon this country with approval.

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Re: Destroying evidence.

Postby atticus » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:49 am

An approach much in evidence recently, cf Johnson, Farage, Banks et al.
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Re: Destroying evidence.

Postby shootist » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:29 pm

A nice distracting change of subject, handled with all the ease of familiarity.
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Re: Destroying evidence.

Postby atticus » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:42 pm

I admired the nifty swerve off topic in your contribution.
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Re: Destroying evidence.

Postby Hairyloon » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:07 pm

All seemed well within the reasonable bounds of the stated topic, so there is no need at all to argue that point.
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Re: Destroying evidence.

Postby Goldensyrup » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:53 pm

Request the information you want forthright by way of FOI and if the information is then destroyed use section 77 of the act within 6 months. If found guilty it is punishable with a fine up to £5,000. However it is rare, very rare for the ICO to take action even when they know an offence has been committed.
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