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Detaining the Mentally ill.

Postby Hairyloon » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:03 pm

A chief constable has vowed to stop "unlawfully" holding people with a mental illness in police cells because the NHS has no beds for them.

Shaun Sawyer, chief constable of Devon and Cornwall Police, wrote to Devon Partnership NHS Trust to say it would be held to account in future.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-de ... 928503#_=_
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Re: Detaining the Mentally ill.

Postby Boo » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:13 am

We don't know whether these people in custody are for example, eligible, have been evicted from MH accommodation and are unable to return - have racked up housing related debts - unable to access emergency hostels for other reasons...

Each person will be assessed on their individual needs and what support there is available locally to meet those needs.

Not every person detained in custody under a s.136 will need to go into a MH unit - so other housing options need to be looked at and that can take time.
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Re: Detaining the Mentally ill.

Postby Hairyloon » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:29 am

Does that excuse keeping them in police cells?
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Re: Detaining the Mentally ill.

Postby Boo » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:25 pm

Where else are they going to.go?

I'm explaining the difficulties in moving people into suitable accommodation from custody. It's the same with hospitals & Refuges.There's bed blocking everywhere.

It's important to take into account some individuals can decide to make reactionary decisions based on circumstances.

Ruby is evicted from a homeless hostel for bringing alcohol onto the project. She leaves with her alcohol & informs the hostel staff she is going to jump from a carpark.The staff make a 136 welfare concern to the Police as soon as she's left.

The Police find her. Assess her behaviour/mood & decide to detain her in custody.

Ruby may have a cpn, a social worker, drug & alcohol worker. These agencies must now work (together) to find her suitable accommodation along with the local authority.

If this happens at a weekend - which it usually does - emergency provision can kick in (B&B), provided Ruby meets certain criteria &...if there's a void.

Mike has had a fight with his mum. He's threatened to hurt the family pet. Mike has a mental health issue which is being managed by medication. Mike has not been taking his meds. He's walked out of the house tooled up saying he's off to kill someone. He's experiencing auditory hallucinations. Mum doesn't want him back.
Mike is picked up by the Police. He's held in custody until suitable accommodation can be found for him. He's a high risk case so specialist accommodation with the right support needs to be found...with a void.
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Re: Detaining the Mentally ill.

Postby Waingro » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:53 pm

Is debt a big problem amongst the mentally ill? I know the mentally ill are regarded in law as vulnerable but do they actually get any assistance when they find themselves in debt?

I suppose what I'm asking is does the debt ever get written off due to the mental illness of the debtor?
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Re: Detaining the Mentally ill.

Postby Hairyloon » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:14 pm

Boo wrote:Where else are they going to.go?

Isn't that the point?
There's bed blocking everywhere.

I don't doubt it, but where is the sense? Are they not all stuck in the most important and least cost-effective beds?
It's important to take into account some individuals can decide to make reactionary decisions based on circumstances.

Ruby may have a cpn, a social worker, drug & alcohol worker. These agencies must now work (together) to find her suitable accommodation...
I inferred into that also the police, but I assume that in the South West, that is failing to happen, otherwise, why is the PCC threatening them with court?
along with the local authority.

Mike has had a fight with his mum. He's threatened to hurt the family pet. Mike has a mental health issue which is being managed by medication. Mike has not been taking his meds. He's walked out of the house tooled up saying he's off to kill someone...

Could we not just round them up and deliver them to the Health Secretary? :x
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Re: Detaining the Mentally ill.

Postby Boo » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:52 am

Waingro wrote:Is debt a big problem amongst the mentally ill? I know the mentally ill are regarded in law as vulnerable but do they actually get any assistance when they find themselves in debt?

I suppose what I'm asking is does the debt ever get written off due to the mental illness of the debtor?


Ruby and Mike's housing related debt will never be written off.

Local Authorities may help out with service charges, discretionary housing payments etc and may assist with payments upfront to secure accommodation...if/when there's a void and if Ruby and Mike have not been banned from local accommodation by the housing providers for breaching rules.

Is this the time to bring up the new welfare cap which is going to cripple Ruby and Mike (as well as housing providers) further?
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Re: Detaining the Mentally ill.

Postby Hairyloon » Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:36 am

Boo wrote:if Ruby and Mike have not been banned from local accommodation by the housing providers for breaching rules.

Does their mental illness cause a significant impairment to their ability to follow the rules?

Is this the time to bring up the new welfare cap which is going to cripple Ruby and Mike (as well as housing) providers further?

It's as good a time as any. We should probably try to keep Godwin out until at the second page though. ;)
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Re: Detaining the Mentally ill.

Postby Boo » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:11 pm

Hairyloon wrote:
Boo wrote:if Ruby and Mike have not been banned from local accommodation by the housing providers for breaching rules.

Does their mental illness cause a significant impairment to their ability to follow the rules?


If Ruby & Mike are unable to follow rules due to having high support needs, they need accommodation where those needs can be met.
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Re: Detaining the Mentally ill.

Postby shootist » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:16 pm

Perhaps it's time to reinstitute the Workhouse concept. With a bit of modern thinking it could be done with humanity perhaps.
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