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What kind of new hell is this?

Postby Boo » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:39 pm

A gentleman has been informed he cannot visit his local Job Centre plus office. He has a ban.
Over the course of 12 months he has received many sanctions. These sanctions are easy to implement as he has a ban and cannot visit the JCP+ office to sign on.
He was offered the opportunity to sign on in a JCP+ office 40 miles away.
He didn't attend as he couldn't afford to travel the distance.

His claim was then closed down.

He made a new claim online. DWP rang him and made him an appointment to go to his local JCP+ office for his first work faced interview.
He went to the entrance but was confronted by an over excited *** security guard who told him he was still banned and wouldn't let him in.

That claim was closed down.

He has now been informed he can attend a JCP+ office 60+ miles away to sign on.

He has been refused Hardship Allowance - and any new HA form he sends in (to the office 60+ miles away) will be disregarded.

He has zero money.

OK, he's not the most compliant individual and can be bloody difficult to engage with, but I don't care at all for the way he's being treated.

On a side note, my work colleague's mobile work phone was barred from contacting the DWP after a heated call relating to a client's benefit claim.

smh.

EDA
The jobcentre ban notices (which are not signed by a named officer) said they were banned for verbal and written abuse and behaviour “which was totally unacceptable” (no further details on that appear in the correspondence). The people in question denied the charges in the letters. More to the point – and this is the key point, whether we’re talking Bracknell, or wherever – they felt that they had little recourse. They said that they had nowhere to go to appeal those bans. They’d been issued with ban notices by London lawyers (I have copies of these) and then the jobcentre (I have those as well) and told to appear at another job centre for their fortnightly JSA interviews. That was the end of that.

Except that it’s not. Iain Duncan Smith has clearly decided to leave claimants and jobcentre staff to their hell together, to fight it out themselves.

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Re: What kind of new hell is this?

Postby smuge » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:59 pm

What a hopeless situation in life to be in. Maybe this is what it takes though to encourage the long-term unemployed to take up employment.

An acquaintance, with a wife and 4 children, was recently thrown out of their rented 5 bed luxury home into a crowded BB. (something to do with the rent caps of the benefit system. )

I can't say that i entirely disagree with such hard-line tactics if its going to wake people up.
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Re: What kind of new hell is this?

Postby shootist » Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:38 pm

Boo wrote:OK, he's not the most compliant individual and can be bloody difficult to engage with, but I don't care at all for the way he's being treated.


Then perhaps he should learn to give a little. When he talks like an arse, walks like an arse, acts like an arse, then he's an arse, and can't complain when the world treats him like an arse.
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Re: What kind of new hell is this?

Postby Hairyloon » Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:21 pm

shootist wrote:
Boo wrote:OK, he's not the most compliant individual and can be bloody difficult to engage with, but I don't care at all for the way he's being treated.


Then perhaps he should learn to give a little. When he talks like an arse, walks like an arse, acts like an arse, then he's an arse, and can't complain when the world treats him like an arse.

Have you considered the possibility that he might be mentally ill, and can't actually help being an arse?
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Re: What kind of new hell is this?

Postby Slartibartfast » Thu May 01, 2014 12:18 am

Hairyloon wrote:Have you considered the possibility that he might be mentally ill, and can't actually help being an arse?


And how the community will benefit from making him angry, alienated and desperate.
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Re: What kind of new hell is this?

Postby Hairyloon » Thu May 01, 2014 12:25 am

Slartibartfast wrote:
Hairyloon wrote:Have you considered the possibility that he might be mentally ill, and can't actually help being an arse?


And how the community will benefit from making him angry, alienated and desperate.

Is it not government policy to dispose of such people through starvation or suicide?
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Re: What kind of new hell is this?

Postby Hairyloon » Thu May 01, 2014 9:32 am

Boo wrote:
The jobcentre ban notices (which are not signed by a named officer) said they were banned for verbal and written abuse and behaviour “which was totally unacceptable” (no further details on that appear in the correspondence).

It is very worrying if jobcentre staff can ban folk on a whim without giving proper reason. Is this a new development?
I never got banned and I was often completely unreasonable with them: I kept going in and expecting them to do their jobs in a competent and effective manner...
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Re: What kind of new hell is this?

Postby Hairyloon » Thu May 01, 2014 9:57 am

Boo wrote:OK, he's not the most compliant individual and can be bloody difficult to engage with, but I don't care at all for the way he's being treated.

Sounds like he is practically unemployable. Any chance he could do something self-employed and claim Working Tax credit?
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Re: What kind of new hell is this?

Postby shootist » Thu May 01, 2014 10:25 am

Hairyloon wrote:
shootist wrote:
Boo wrote:OK, he's not the most compliant individual and can be bloody difficult to engage with, but I don't care at all for the way he's being treated.


Then perhaps he should learn to give a little. When he talks like an arse, walks like an arse, acts like an arse, then he's an arse, and can't complain when the world treats him like an arse.

Have you considered the possibility that he might be mentally ill, and can't actually help being an arse?


Or course. Have you considered the possibility that he might just be an arse?

f he is so mentally ill, then it's clear he cannot look after himself, and should be committed for his own welfare. If he's functional enough to escape committal then he is functional enough to work out a few basics in life and start being reasonably polite when the need arises.
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Re: What kind of new hell is this?

Postby Boo » Thu May 01, 2014 4:52 pm

Hairyloon wrote:
Boo wrote:
The jobcentre ban notices (which are not signed by a named officer) said they were banned for verbal and written abuse and behaviour “which was totally unacceptable” (no further details on that appear in the correspondence).

It is very worrying if jobcentre staff can ban folk on a whim without giving proper reason. Is this a new development?


Getting through the line of security staff permanently on code red seems to be difficult for some. Think 80s nightclub bouncer attitude...patronizing, judgemental, condescending.
Unfortunately, I've witnessed extreme intimidation directed at a client by security staff while being with him at a JCP+ office. That matter is currently being dealt with.
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