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Re: Damian Green

Postby Hairyloon » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:05 am

dls wrote:The real issue is that the original raid was a gross act of abuse by politically motivated police officers acting on behalf of Labour.


Was it?
Certainly it might have been (politically motivated), but there had been an allegation of a serious crime and they (presumably) had reasonable suspicion.
If this was not so, then why was that not sorted out at the time?
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Re: Damian Green

Postby dls » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:27 am

Separation of powersagain.

The serious allegation they were so indignant about the need to investigate was, ironically, an allegation of the theft of documentation, and release of confidential information.

Accoding to the ST today, the same officers unlawfully made copies of documenation from the search, saving them for a political rainy day.

The original allegation was not established, the current one is flagrant.
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Re: Damian Green

Postby Goldensyrup » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:04 pm

The Cabinet Office need to interview Neil Lewis to assist their search for the truth. That will help overcome the enduring duty to confidentiality.
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Re: Damian Green

Postby atticus » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:51 pm

I am reading and hearing a lot of hot air, but few relevant facts. This thread highlights several of the unanswered questions.
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Re: Damian Green

Postby Goldensyrup » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:16 pm

The problem Atticus with darkish places is that you may struggle to obtain the facts you desire. On face value Neil Lewis's interview is compelling.

Back in 1973, the Metropolitan police commissioner, Sir Robert Mark, encouraged his officers to be as open as possible to the media. In a famous memo, he announced that such an approach involved “risks, disappointments and anxieties” but he stressed that “officers who speak in good faith may be assured of my support, even if they make errors of judgment when deciding what information to disclose”.

I believe Lewis spoke in good faith.
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Re: Damian Green

Postby Hairyloon » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:28 pm

Goldensyrup wrote:I believe Lewis spoke in good faith.

I can believe it, but I think he was badly misguided.
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Re: Damian Green

Postby dls » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:36 pm

No.

I do not think anyone is denying that they said was found, only their conclusions as to how they arrived.

Their utter hypcrisy is demonstrable. If it is also demonstrated that their behaviour is politically motivated, they need to be hung from the yard arm (metaphorically). Personally, I would give them no credit until and unless they proved otherwise.
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Re: Damian Green

Postby shootist » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:00 pm

Goldensyrup wrote:The Cabinet Office need to interview Neil Lewis to assist their search for the truth. That will help overcome the enduring duty to confidentiality.


Is he obliged to be interviewed? Is the Cabinet Office really searching for 'The Truth'. What is the attraction in 'overcoming' their enduring duty? All I see in the self righteous posturing of those calling for Damian Green's blood is the opportunistic political scandalising that in the final analysis no adult ought to be particularly bothered about. In days gone by a homosexual dalliance would have been sufficient but in today's world it's getting more difficult. Here's a thought, though, to expand upon that idea. If all the porn had been of a homosexual nature and Damian Green had just responded that he was gay and enjoyed such things in between emails, who would have then had the temerity too condemn him? Who bloody well cares? (Apart from the vindictive malicious bastard ex police officers who make me ashamed of my time in that service.)
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Re: Damian Green

Postby atticus » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:11 pm

Robert Mark is no longer Commissioner of the Met (or alive). 1973 was 44 years ago. There have been problems about relationships between police and press in those intervening years.
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Re: Damian Green

Postby Hairyloon » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:06 pm

shootist wrote:All I see in the self righteous posturing of those calling for Damian Green's blood is the opportunistic political scandalising that in the final analysis no adult ought to be particularly bothered about.


I take it you saw this: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8424
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