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Damian Green

Postby Goldensyrup » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:26 am

Has Damian Green done anything wrong. Has former met cop Neil Lewis done anything wrong if his disclosure is in the public interest?

The pornography allegations were first alluded to by Bob Quick, a former Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner, in his evidence to the Leveson inquiry, so some details were in the public domain.

At the time Green responded to Quick’s assertions by accusing him of spreading “disreputable political smears”, an attack that so infuriated Lewis that he decided to speak out.

Lewis, who retired in 2014, said although “you can’t put fingers on a keyboard”, a number of factors meant that he was sure it was Green who was accessing the pornographic material.

Viewing this alleged pornograhic material is not unlawful, but how does that sit with the public and the MP's code of conduct that expects minister's and MPs to maintain “the highest standards of propriety?

Could Green's real crime be if matters are proved that he lied when denying the allegations which on the balance of probabilities looks likely to have occurred?
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Re: Damian Green

Postby shootist » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:17 am

Goldensyrup wrote:Viewing this alleged pornograhic material is not unlawful, but how does that sit with the public and the MP's code of conduct that expects minister's and MPs to maintain “the highest standards of propriety?

Could Green's real crime be if matters are proved that he lied when denying the allegations which on the balance of probabilities looks likely to have occurred?


MPs 'highest standards of propriety'? There appears to be no suggestion that he had committed any criminal offence in what he is alleged to have had on his computer, so he is to be judged on so called moral values in an arena of political vindictiveness where moral values are collected and discarded according to who the knives are out for at any given time?

Balance of probabilities? Likely to have occurred? Where on earth are the flaming brands and pikestaff bearing peasants when we need them?

Why is the big deal anyway? The public tend to regard most MPs as wankers anyway?
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Re: Damian Green

Postby Goldensyrup » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:42 pm

The pornography was found on Damian Green's parliamentary lap top, not one at his home. Neil Lewis stated that the porrn was downloaded in between reading and making communications. It was a workplace lap top.

If it was not Green, then he is guilty of being lax and foolish allowing others on his LT. If it was Green he should leave office for being economical with the truth.

Either way he has clearly breached a code of conduct.
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Re: Damian Green

Postby Hairyloon » Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:49 pm

Goldensyrup wrote:The pornography was found on Damian Green's parliamentary lap top...

If it was a laptop then how can Lewis state with such certainty that it was used for porn in the parliamentary office?
It puts a whole new perspective on things if he was not at his desk: for a start, if I recall his words rightly, it means he isn't lying about it.
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Re: Damian Green

Postby 3.14 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:11 pm

Hairyloon wrote:
Goldensyrup wrote:The pornography was found on Damian Green's parliamentary lap top...

If it was a laptop then how can Lewis state with such certainty that it was used for porn in the parliamentary office?
It puts a whole new perspective on things if he was not at his desk: for a start, if I recall his words rightly, it means he isn't lying about it.

You can see from where the computer connects to the internet and when.
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Re: Damian Green

Postby shootist » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:35 pm

Goldensyrup wrote:The pornography was alleged to have been seen on Damian Green's parliamentary lap top, not one at his home. Neil Lewis stated that the porrn was downloaded in between reading and making communications. It was a workplace lap top.



Goldensyrup wrote:If it was not Green, and if there was actually porn on his computer then he is guilty of being lax and foolish allowing others on his LT. If it was Green he should leave office for being economical with the truth.

Either way, if the allegations are true, he has clearly breached a code of conduct.


Just helping to clarify here.
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Re: Damian Green

Postby shootist » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:40 pm

3.14 wrote:You can see from where the computer connects to the internet and when.


The alleged images have been described as 'thumbnails', i.e. miniature images. Depending upon where they were located I believe it is possible for such images to appear on a computer without the user's knowledge, if some malware had made it's way there. Or if some malicious bastard purports to have seen them there now it is impossible to verify the facts.
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Re: Damian Green

Postby 3.14 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:46 pm

shootist wrote:
3.14 wrote:You can see from where the computer connects to the internet and when.


The alleged images have been described as 'thumbnails', i.e. miniature images. Depending on where they were located I believe it is possible for such images to appear on a computer without the user's knowledge if some malware had made its way there. Or if some malicious bastard purports to have seen them there now it is impossible to verify the facts.

It sounds like they 'imaged' his laptop and analysed that. Thumbnails are what is left of the browser history. those images are on any computer if you accessed a website. when you accessed them and from where. I think the allegations are that emails were sent and other work-related activity and in-between times, porn sites were accessed. SO, it's unlikely that anyone else accessed the porn. It IS possible that malware could have worked its way on his laptop. Viruses and malware are often downloaded when viewing porn sites.
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Re: Damian Green

Postby Hairyloon » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:37 pm

Goldensyrup wrote:If it was not Green, then he is guilty of being lax and foolish allowing others on his LT...


Nadine Dorries‏ MP
My staff log onto my computer on my desk with my login everyday. Including interns on exchange programmes. For the officer on @BBCNews just now to claim that the computer on Greens desk was accessed and therefore it was Green is utterly preposterous !!


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Re: Damian Green

Postby dls » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:37 am

The real issue is that the real issue is that the original raid was a gross act of abuse by politically motivated police officers acting on behalf of Labour.

Nothing criminal wasfound. Poice do not haveany responsibility for morality tick boxing.
The real obligation ofconfidence was broken again in an attempt to maximise Labour's upside from current sex misdemeanour noises.

This is really very ugly behaviour by retired and vengeful police officers. I wonder what inspired them?
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