shootist wrote:While I'm here, a word or two about the police corruption. At that time (and I'm not condoning it for a second. It was a practice I was fortunate enough to be able to avoid). I strongly believe that probably 90% of the miners arrested were arrested justifiably...
But after the justified arrest, was it justified to give them a good kicking?
Never justified, but when you have just spent time involved is a very violent situation in fear for your life, bad things can happen. Wrong again, but it's part of life. I don't know if Derbyshire was any more or less saintly when I was with them, but in those 22 years I never knew of anyone getting beaten up in the cells in retribution, and I'm fairly sure I would have. I know of one officer who gave someone a drubbing instead of arresting them. He lost his job and his pension and received a prison sentence for it. I saw a few get 'one for luck' at the finish of a particularly violent encounter, it happens. It is ignorant to criticise violence without knowing a bit about it, both giving and receiving. As an example you will not realise how difficult it is to kick a man in the balls until 1) you've tried it out of necessity and it failed, and 2) someone has tried it on you to no good effect. I've done both.
I recall the day that CCTV was installed in the custody suite for the first time. Initially regarded as a hazard, within a month is was regarded as the officers best friend. Two of the most common starters for violence there was the "You're not searching me." and the "I'm not going in a cell." brotherhoods. Both equally futile, it almost inevitably lead to violence and complaints. Once the CCTV was there, the complaints dropped off significantly. It is an article of faith among the regulars that they admitted the office and/or 'grassed up' (How I hate that expression) their mates because they had a good kicking in the cells. Perhaps true on occasions in the Met, GMP, and Liverpool, and a racing certainty in old time Glasgow, but very rare, IMO, elsewhere.
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