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Re: Do I have to pay company costs?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:06 am
by jantra
aren't the shares (in the company) automatically transferred between lessees? otherwise you could have a former tenant having shares in the company

Re: Do I have to pay company costs?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:45 am
by dls
That is as it very probably should be and often is, but it is not always the case.

Re: Do I have to pay company costs?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:28 am
by hairbrush
I can confirm that the company has no obligation to pass on a share to a new owner, but looking back at the history of the company, all the lessees including the original owner of my apartment had shares but each time someone has sold on, the director has refused to issue new ones. The result is that he and a few others have have effectively gained control of the company and are keeping the rest of us out.

Going back to the issue of the invoice, I am not suggesting that all the costs themselves are invalid. The point I am making is that because the invoice total is invalid, the overall invoice is invalid too. The company would need to represent the invoice with the correct total before the lessees would have any legal obligation to pay. I wonder if this is an argument?

Re: Do I have to pay company costs?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:01 pm
by atticus
Why did you not buy a share from the seller when you bought your flat? I would want to look at all documents to see whether issue/transfer of shares can be compelled.

The constitution of a management company like this should say that all flat owners are shareholders, and that on the sale of a flat the share is deemed transferred to the new owner.

Re: Do I have to pay company costs?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:42 pm
by dls
The company does not pass the share on. it is the outgoing lessee who transfers his share to you. The company should not be issuing new shares. Again - that is the standard arrangement. They differ.

Re: Do I have to pay company costs?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:12 pm
by hairbrush
The constitution of the company specifically states that a share is not transferable when a property is sold on.

Re: Do I have to pay company costs?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:42 pm
by jantra
hairbrush wrote:I can confirm that the company has no obligation to pass on a share to a new owner, but looking back at the history of the company, all the lessees including the original owner of my apartment had shares but each time someone has sold on, the director has refused to issue new ones. The result is that he and a few others have have effectively gained control of the company and are keeping the rest of us out.

Going back to the issue of the invoice, I am not suggesting that all the costs themselves are invalid. The point I am making is that because the invoice total is invalid, the overall invoice is invalid too. The company would need to represent the invoice with the correct total before the lessees would have any legal obligation to pay. I wonder if this is an argument?


don't tenants / lessees have the right to appoint their own service management company if they are getting a bum deal from the existing service provider?

Re: Do I have to pay company costs?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:44 pm
by jantra
hairbrush wrote:The constitution of the company specifically states that a share is not transferable when a property is sold on.


it is not the company that owns the share. others will know better, but surely one legal entities constitution cannot restrict another from selling its own property.

Re: Do I have to pay company costs?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:15 am
by dls
It is clear that whatever answers there may be here, they reside in a detailed examination of the company's constitution. Our guessing can be no substiute.